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Many thanks for the pics @Descartes much appreciated! I was discussing the Henry 5a3 with Rob Page today, and he was also telling me it has the scarcer reverse (a possible crossover from class 4, making it potentially an early class 5) and has no example recorded in the Brussels hoard. He’s just put it up on his site which is rather nice! http://www.henry3.com/london---5a3.html He was also telling me that there’s a book to come before the year’s out, a shared project with a friend of his, so that’ll be on my radar.

So by making the coin blue, you improve the coin to a state of perfection? Shurely shome mishtake.

And the B-side

Nice 1863 penny - one day only - sensible offers only.

Had some kind of Royal Mint reply regarding the 1953 VIP proof set and i'm guessing it could count for all the cameo/VIP proofs, one of my questions was in regards to the 1953 cameo set i have and the cameo crown which i have seen described as VIP proof when they are frosted, , these are the coins in question the Royal Mint Museums reply is as follows Dear Mr Cook Thank you for your patience in awaiting a response regarding the subject of the 1953 proof sets. The frosting on these so-called on these VIP sets is difficult to comment upon, however we do know that the finish varies from set to set. With this in mind, we cannot be sure that the set we have in the Museum’s collection corresponds to the VIP version identified by coin dealers and any photographs we could supply you with would be misleading. I would, however, recommend that you show your set to one of the large London coin dealers to see if they may be able to enlighten you on the finish of your set. The Members page on the British Numismatic Trade Association website has a list of reputable vendors, including those in London, and I would encourage you to contact them with your enquiry. Kind regards Fiona so even the Royal Mint cannot answer this question, so i guess without sound provenience there is no way of separating these, although some people say you can tell by the sharpness etc, i'm sure the mint museum would have commented on this if that was the fact and the comment about varying from set to set says it all really, the enigma continues

For the record, CGS's death certificate:

Absolutely, Stu, will do! If his website is anything to go by, he’ll be selling a lot of copies, and very likely become the new name by which we and various auction houses will categorise our/their coins! Looking forward to it!

For some reason it only posted half of my message... Congrats on your coin making it to the page - it deserves it - it's a gem!

I would definitely be interested in buying the book when it comes out too!

For the class 5c penny: (F- 25 quid, VF- 65 quid); for the class 5g: (F - 25 quid, VF - 60 quid)

Been digging around to see what info. I can add to my Class 5a3 Henry. What has turned out to be interesting is it has the less common reverse for this class, being very open and having the larger 14 pellet per quarter inner circle. I managed to find a reverse die match on Rob Page’s site www.henry3.com which confirms a pellet on the last ligated N for me, as well as providing him with some additional information on the second quarter, which his illustrated example doesn’t have. sharing the love! Oh, and would anyone be happy to post up an image of the H3 page in spink (S1367a) - as up to date a copy as poss? They keep updating the numbers, and my old thing (2013) only has S1367 (no S1367a).

I actually misread the silver part. nickel plated steel hence the reference silver but in colour only the date was 2016 . I think everyone read the article "silver 2p found in poppy appeal box"? . http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-36530514

I have seen it reported that there were circa 600 New Pence 2 pence in the sets, There have been sterling silver year sets that have been issued by the RM, I had a 1996 set where all the coins were 0.925, could be some of these are being broken and sold individually for large profits

Surely they've got the decimal point in the wrong place....£23.99 is more like it!

cer Certainly! Atlas seems to use Heritage alot (to source and to sell stock that's been sitting) Estimates on their lots always overly high. They seem to look after them. Like someone said previously, they seem to have a very wealthy budget.

Hi Jamie and welcome to the mad house. Remember most of us on here have a coin addiction .....so take your time

Thanks for the heads up.

Yes, absolutely, and this piece was gilded before the plate was cut as the edges do show - there is no doubt about this. However, I am excited about the gilt since I am surmising whether this was a piece from the "two guilt wine bowles" that are documented as being part of the "Plate delivered to Mr Edward Standishe, Alderman, by consent to be sold for the townes use and to supply their p'sent want of money...." (quoted from the minutes of a meeting of the (Newark) Corporation held on May 15, 1646 and detailed in, "The Obsidional Money of the Great Rebellion", 1907, Philip Nelson, M.D.) Obviously it is very possible that other gilt plates might have been used as well but this reference is specific right down to the fact that two gold-plated wine bowls were cut up to literally, make money. This is why I find this series so interesting - there is a tangible link with particular people caught up in a bloody struggle. Frank

Wow! They are indeed the same coin, how on earth did one become the other? Perhaps the vendor used their ‘conservation’ service! Jerry

sold by dnw and described as "some minor staining on reverse, otherwise about extremely fine with a hint of original colour Sold by Atlas and graded PCGS MS63BN

Muggins here is going to pay for their Honeymoons...Great Yarmouth in a B&B is missing from their agenda's ...I did take Mrs Peter to Kenya on honeymoon we had room 69 and the tour operator couldn't understand why on the return from Safari I requested the missionary room...I was tongue tied....Happy memories.

Absolutely fantastic find, Richard. Very, very well done. Probably just about the best F28 out there.

It's all they need to do. There are sufficient nerds around to ensure that is unlikely to slip under the radar.

Picked up a very nice F28 a few days ago - auction estimate a very silly £80 - needless to say other people bid me much higher !

Something's gone wrong (for me) in the Copper Tokens thread, so I will post this newbie here, seeing as it's a penny ... 1796 Birmingham copper penny token by Thomas Wyon

Quite a pleasing 1849 shilling

I wouldn't touch these with a very long pole. IMO, there are just too many around both graded and ungraded with likely some very nice ones out "in the wild". Even more mystifying are the proof late Vicky gold from 1887 and '93. Yikes!

Just a few more threepences and a couple of sixpences added to the collection for today.

I dropped my South Sea Bubble and it burst.

As well as making sure that you have good virus protection in place (I use Avast, which is free, and seems to be pretty good) there is a useful tip that not everyone realises: If you hover the mouse pointer over a link without clicking, you should see the actual address it is linking to at the bottom of your browser. (At least that is where it appears on my Chrome browser - it may vary with others.) If the address that appears does not match what you are expecting, don't click! So if you are expecting a link to Barclays Bank and the address that appears starts ivans.bank.ru - you know what is going to happen!

We prefer to deal in real hard currency on this forum. I don't have any trays that will accept cryptocurrency.

I was speaking with an 88 year old coin dealer earlier today and the subject of 1951 crowns was discussed. This dealer told me that he got married during the Festival of Britain celebrations in London. He explained to me the reasons for the two different colour boxes that the Crowns were issued in, Green & Magenta. The Green boxes were sold only in the Festival Hall, The Magenta boxes were sold in the Festival Pleasure Gardens on the opposite bank of the Thames.

A rose by any other name... It's cleaning. They call it "conservation" because cleaning sounds bad. I'm with your grandfather. But if there is a problem which is only going to get worse (e.g. verdigris, bronze disease, zinc pest) then I think intervention is necessary. After all, if you do nothing it will eventually destroy the coin. So what choice is there?

Here's the best one, from the Copthorne auction. Went for £7250, hammer:-

Managed to grab a day out detecting today. Had this little beaut, Not bad condition saying its been rolling around in a ploughed field.

This is a table I use for my customers and myself. It is not 100% perfect between the grades but as good as I can determine. (Sheldon Scale is the 70 point grading scale that was created by American Bill Sheldon) and is what is used in the United States and around the world now. CGS Numerical Grade Average Raw UK Grade Average Standard USA Sheldon 100 FDC MS70 99 FDC MS70 98 FDC MS70 97 FDC MS70 96 FDC M69+ 95 FDC MS69 94 AFDC MS68+ 93 AFDC MS68 92 AFDC MS67+ 91 AFDC MS67 90 NFDC MS66 88 BU -NFDC MS65+ 85 Choice UNC - BU MS65 82 Choice UNC MS 64+ 80 Choice UNC MS 64 78 UNC MS 63 75 UNC or near so MS 62 70 AU MS62 65 GEF MS61 60 EF AU58 - MS60 55 NEF AU55 50 GVF AU55 45 GVF AU 53 40 VF AU 50 35 NVF XF 45 30 GF XF 40 25 GF XF35 20 F XF30 15 NF XF20 10 VG XF15 8 VG VG10 5 GOOD VG8 4 FAIR G4 3 FAIR G3 2 FAIR G2 1 FAIR G1

If you can use eBay use it. 1000's of collectors and dealers buy from eBay. I often have lists of 'Wanted-Coins' from my customers and search eBay for them. It gives you the chance to get a better price as someone may pay more if they are looking for it. Only use PayPal and stick to the eBay rules dealing and communicating through eBay only and you will come to no harm. If you post out, only use the Paypal address and get a signature. Good luck

Having picked up the rough old BP1874Nn (1874H 7 over 7) above only a couple of weeks ago, Bernie kindly pointed me to a superb example (not described as such) on Baldwin's For Sale list which I snapped up immediately.

A few of my very best that, like Rob, were on Photobucket at one time ...

This coin is impossible to photograph. Such is the unusual toning . I guess because it's just starting . Although I can clearly see the lustre the effect of the toning makes it look matt like in pictures and does no justice to the coin at all. here are 1945 Shilling scottish arms and scarcer D2121 1946 english arms

The royal mint have just announced a new set of four NEW potter 50p coins , groan What a surprise, NOT! I wonder if there is any betting at ladbrokes on these coins becomeing an annual event

In case anyone's interested.

My take is that it's NOT the same coin and you'd be justified in returning it on those grounds. There are many many signs that get my suspicions going, but here's just three: 1. the teeth on the right coin (from the V anti-clockwise to the left hand edge of the bust) are thin compared to the greater wear on the left hand coin 2. the totally different style of the JEB - particularly the E which is curved like a reversed 3 on the left, and a normal E on the right, sloping to the right 3. the upper knot on the pendant ribbon has a complete incuse line on the right, which can barely be seen at all on the left. Add to that the scratch on the last A of GRATIA (not present on the left), and a faint doubling of the ear lobe on the right, and I'd say you've been the victim of possible malpractice.

unlike this piece of crap that landed on my doorstep this morning. How on earth they can make a picture look so different is beyond me. Hard to believe it's the same coin

Dont know if you saw /or bought this .https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jamaica-2002-Proof-8-Coin-Set-1c-Silver-25-Dollars-Women-039-s-Hurdles-500-issued-/391949805523?hash=item5b420767d3%3Ag%3A82UAAOSwFSxaPif5&nma=true&si=HzbUnNJvllh6fzDe9ENxSPogZgc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 they do exist .and a bit pricey at that .

Picked this up. Unlisted EBRITANNIAR 1881 sixpence. Although very subtle I hope you can see the underlying E beneath the B it's a little offset tilting anticlockwise

Yep

Not sure how common it was, but I understand it was done to preserve lustre. If so, it's not worked in this case ! Frightening what used to be recommended for coins.