oldcopper

Despite Peck calling both listed proofs EXR they're almost certainly PU, and any picture (apart from Peck's plate photograph) will possibly be online on the BM's website (visit their online collection - some of the coin collection is there but most isn't). There won't be any other photo as far as I'm aware, and even if either is on the BM's website there might be copyright issues with reproduction. There's no evidence that the copper P.556 is a "proof" It's in poor condition and is of the lighter brown colour as seen on Charles. An off-metal strike, I would guess it's a copper blank struck at the softer pressure as used for the tin coinage, as the fields are unmarked and smooth.

You might know, but that 1693 shilling is the 9/0 variety, also signalled by the distinctive reverse die break. I had one of those once, it's not that rare though.

Duplicate post below.

It's always seemed the case that the 1897 high tide variety is an experiment to see how much they could enlarge this relatively new Britannia type - hence all three corners, trident, foot and shield are closer to the edge than in the standard variety. The 1895 2mm was conversely a slightly smaller version, deemed too small before slightly enlarging for the main 1mm issue of that year, which was the standard size.

1675 farthings are more often than not weakly struck on the hair and middle of Britannia. This year suffers more from that than the other years.

You'd need a deep pocket for most of these recent items at Heritage, but not all early copper has sky-rocketed over the last few years - the slab-grades have the main effect of course. There are two Peck plate coins, but none of the coins including theses were provenanced by Heritage. Perhaps the buyers recognised them too, but probably just going on the grades. All are hammer prices: 1694 1/2d - MS61 - $1200. Surprisingly low grade for a coin that retains lustre, this is the Nicholson example that sold for £1,200 (I think) in 2004, if so it's made no money at all over the last 20+ years! This is the exception price-wise. 1694 1/4d - MS64RB - $7,000. Lovely colour though slightly porous detail, this is Colin Cooke's own example sold 2005. 1695 1/2d - MS63 - $9,000 - big rise on this one, though it has been glossed and lost some lustre since previously sold at Baldwin's 2010 Strickland-Neville Rolfe auction. I saw it at the time and wondered if it was thick-flan (there's only one known otherwise) as it did look unusually thick. It was a bit porous though so that can be deceptive. Unfortunately it was sealed in plastic and I couldn't ask Baldwins to weigh it, because if it was heavy weight, they'd have amended the description and it wouldn't have been a bargain! It wasn't very cleanly struck though and It went for £540 back then. 1699 1/4d date in legend - MS64 - $7,000. This is Brook's example and is the Peck Plate coin despite the dark photograph where you had to squint to make out much. The edge variation matched up and it is of course the no-stop between A and the date variety - which was also not mentioned by Heritage. As far as I know, this was last sold in the Shuttleworth collection SNC 2001 as EF £650. 1701 1/2d - MS63 - $7,250. Also the Peck plate coin and Heritage auctions missed (or the slabbers couldn't be bothered to note) it was no stops obverse (P.704). This is ex Nicholson Hopetown House, Peck.

Sorry Chris, when did I ask you to read the thread? You don't have to read it. I posted the message as Peckris to asked for it. It's not tit-for-tat nonsense, so I'd suggest politely you read it. I was quite clearly laying out, with obvious explanation and official statistics, that we have been lied to by media and politicians (a lie of omission) about the BLM cause, its not racist police but elevated levels of black violence that cause a disparity in per capita deaths, and as a result we now have accelerated DEI, further racism-inference of white people and further enabled mass immigration. I have never posted a vitriolic post "in the past" but you're not having a go at Peckris for suggesting that. What does sadden me is the constant cheap Trump-bashing, see above a photoshop of him meeting Hitler, another joke on another thread from Peckris about Robert Jenrick's seat aptly being Newark as it's an anagram of you-know-what. I mean - is this the level you prefer?

Richard, it's up to you of course, but you don't have to read it - it's got nothing to do with you. Peckris asked for the link, I sent him the message which had his inserts in it. I had to put up with several other unpleasant comments leading up to that message. That's what you get for telling a surprisingly unpopular and pretty obvious truth, but there we are. Anyway, I would like to hear more about Peckris's "nothing but vitriol in the past" comment. Apart from putting in his dilemma with honesty just up the page (the very recent past), based on his previous behaviour towards me, I think he's made it up, so let's clear it up. I don't know about you, but I don't like to be slandered, so I'm not moving on just yet. He'd blocked me for 6 years (as he told 1949threepence, who then had to cut and paste a long comment about Net Zero from me to get Peckris to reply - no chance there of course!) So I'd be surprised there were any of these supposed vitriolic comments in the cupboard. Still, if he produces the evidence, I'll apologise of course, who knows, perhaps I wrote them in my sleep. If not, he's being naughty, it's a strong description and I'm not one to put it into comments in general. No one does.

Well, here you are, not too hard to find, read the whole exchange in "Proof there is no god", last comment June 29th 2020 in "Nothing whatsoever to do with coins". Edit by admin: (Pasted text removed. If anyone really wants to read the whole thread referred to, it's here): Lovely, anyway, more lies in your last message. 1. Give me an example of a "vitriolic" reply I've given you, you say you've received "nothing but vitriol". Do you know what the word vitriol means? I doubt it, but for a good example see your inserts above. A truly foaming at the mouth episode. and this one makes me laugh. Feel free to read the whole thread again, and get back to me with your totally predictable non-change of mind, or perhaps abuse. You must think I was born yesterday: 2. If oldcopper can provide a link to the conversation he mentioned above, then I'm quite prepared to read it and to apologise if it's appropriate, i.e. if what he says is true.

Oh dear, you blocked me straight after your foul mouthed rant. So you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Thanks Chris. It goes without saying I greatly appreciate the Forum, there's a lot of expertise on it.

Chris - I understand and won't say any more, but I am referring to the last time that him and myself had a "discussion" - I was explaining the fraudulent interpretation of data by BLM, now Peckris told me he had these other statistics for crime and demographic correlations in the US (this was back in 2020), I had the FBI statistics which are the only ones of course, so unsurprisingly he never produced his mysterious statistics (he'd made it up of course, so he was being dishonest). On being further asked about it, he exited the conversation with various obscenities aimed at myself, a flurry of eff's (spelt fully!) and other abuse. If you don't mind me saying, you were nowhere to be seen. And I have to tell you. that was far, far worse than what I have written above. I'm sure he's very knowledgeable about coins, so perhaps he should stick to that. But I am very happy to have a conversation with anyone about politics on here.

"honestly" - not a word you're too familiar with, and of course followed by the usual mind-numbingly predictable parroted derision. Trump previously pointed out that Europe is destroying itself with huge mass immigration and the crazy energy policy of "Net Zero". Care to argue about that?

Might be "silvered" i.e. coated in silver or similar-looking metal, a not uncommon practice in Victorian times. I've got a young head penny version. Can you see inside the hole at the metal colour?

Thanks, but I used to visit Birmingham now and again so was hoping to combine a trip. That no longer applies. If I phone them up again I'll see if they know this Dave Symonds.