Paddy

I have had this 1825 shilling in my collection for years and I always assumed it was just someone's attempt to pass off as a Sovereign by gold plating it. However, I was looking in ESC this morning and spotted that there was a gold coloured variety produced in "Barton metal" - copper between thin layers of gold. I got to wondering if this might explain my gilded shilling. The weight is the same as the silver shilling (5.62g). ESC mentions that the copper is sometimes visible on the edge - I cannot see any evidence of that. Is there any other way of distinguishing them? Here is the specimen:

That's great - thanks. So definitely not a Barton. And I assume it can't be a gold proof, so we are back to the original attribution - a gilded silver 1825 shilling.

And here is a view of the edge:

I dread to think! I was lucky if I could get 50p for one, so I guess Coincraft probably want £20+ ?

This from the BBC reveals a study into the origin of the silver used in some Saxon coinage - much coming from Byzantine ingots, but some from Melle in Western France. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68722153 I was intrigued by the "HAROLUS IMP AUG" coin included in their images. Anyone know the history of this design?

There is a good example on this page - right at the bottom: https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/victoria-bronze-reverses/

I thought this article might be of interest. They look in pretty decent condition for a hoard. I see a couple of Irish examples on the top. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68685683

Welcome to the forum @SteveW. It sounds as if you have an interesting collection already. I am sure we would like to see your sixpence and the 1860 farthing - both sound interesting. Cleaning is always a hot topic here. Alcohol is good for cleaning off sticky tape and seems to do no other damage. Getting rid of unsightly tarnish is much more difficult. Ammonia will do it, but leaves the coin looking pale and flat. Left too long it will result in pitting and serious damage. In the US there is a product designed for clearing Verdigris - I think called Verdicare. It is not available here in the UK I think, so I have never tried it and can't vouch for it, but it might be worth trying it out on one of your "also ran" farthings first. The penny collectors on this forum are probably the most serious and experienced in the world. The other UK coppers/bronzes are also well supported, so you should get plenty of help.

I was unfortunate enough to meet up with a group of Russians on holiday in Turkey ten or more years ago. Their attitude was very high-handed and patronising to everyone else. They were quite certain that they were the superior race and it was their destiny and right to rule the world - much as the British had 100 years ago. Hence it was no surprise when they set about increasing their empire by invading Ukraine, and if they are allowed to win there, I fear they will be straight on to the next target - probably the Baltic States.

I was going purely on a google search for "Lumix lens mounts" which indicated "L-mount" as the answer. I am sure a more thorough search would clarify. (I was on my way out to Bridge night, so I did not have much time to research!)

No - it fits between the lens mount and the camera body, so you would have to find a set with Lumix fittings. I found mine on Amazon I think (may have been Ebay). You usually get a set of three, to give three different levels of Macro. I find the smallest tube allows me to focus on up to Crown size coins at about 15cm range so that they fill the picture size. The longer tubes allow still closer for very small coins. I think this one would do: https://www.amazon.co.uk/VILTROX-Extension-Adapter-Support-Compatible/dp/B0BLZ4W5SJ/ref=sr_1_6?crid=JAHMH6APNIEO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Nr151YSAC3VS9eZYbyFbpSjU8ODJZW0UEWA3qA41oE70kP2EP0_atU9SDqeflRXn3TeRk_YrrqojWuE6vJE-Gu_5lWHrhIkm8Qg9QgurGGwsQuQ_LENNGD8_BCsyTsiBvzkSW2W3EpAVwBZ8yjNg9R90sBMz7JaUGdqjO0xTmQOOkN4_WxbjCtQLL5V-MmbV31YUPChUgPZScAwLdyMRLmj9RZfsEjAQUKy_pDunfwc.pFii9qcG1TqtTS5pDMxgjEZPrdbcSIy5S2F-hNMmXaw&dib_tag=se&keywords=Lumix+extension+tube&qid=1709836660&sprefix=lumix+extension+tube%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-6 but that is for autofocus. You may find cheaper without that feature. Lumix uses "L-Mount".

I don't know the Lumix at all, but the alternative to an expensive macro lens might be extension tubes? I use them with my Pentax and a standard 50mm lens to take macro style shots. It is a bit more fiddly, but I leave the set up for coins only so rarely need to alter anything.

Neither my 1892 or 1894 show any sign of the missing bar. Interesting the double inner circle - I hadn't noticed that before. As I suggested, I am blind to variations until someone rubs my nose in it!

Not as far as I can see. (I am notoriously bad at spotting variations!):

Interesting. My 1893 is not 3 over 2:

My 1893 penny shows the same feature:

Doesn't seem that the standard of driving has improved through the years:

I messaged him too and have just had a reply acknowledging the error and saying he was cancelling the listing. I see it has now been ended - fair does.

Welcome! A picture of the other side might be useful. As far as I can see the date at the base is 1727, and above that may be JUN XI - June 11th 1727 was the date on which George I died and George II assumed the throne, so this may well be the remains of a medallion commemorating this transition. Not sure about the OCT thereafter! Style is certainly typical of 18th century.

If no pictures are presented, you ought to be able to rely on the expertise of the vendor, but there are no guarantees. If described as BUnc, you would expect pretty much perfect condition. After a while one learns which dealers to trust and which not. A list without pictures sounds a bit like Mr Ingram and son?

Thanks for the tip - I will watch out for that one. I have not been caught this way yet. I have been caught by a similar problem: the auctioneers have called a break, so I have left the link running with the sound turned up, relying on hearing the restart, only for the sound output to be turned off at source. When they return, they turn their sound back on, but it remains off in the link and so I miss the restart. Very frustrating!

I have put a post on the coin community forum with a couple of example pictures. It seems to me that some of our American cousins are more likely to be taken in by these.

That was not me - I was not there that long ago. I suspect it would have been Brian, who was there a lot longer. Both of us now retired from the market.

Now sold for £55, so someone has been taken in.

Appears to be a thistle in his hand, so maybe Scottish? Are Telman Umbrellas Scottish?