Paddy

I have seen this shilling at auction and I am struggling to be sure what variety it is. Described as Charles I shilling and weight given as 5.65g. It appears at first glance to be Group F, but then the mintmark of a Crown does not make sense in the books. For the Tower mint the Crown should be Group D. For Aberystwyth mint it lacks the plume in front of the bust. I even checked the milled Charles II shillings, but that also doesn't seem to fit. Or is it just a fake? Please don't ask for better pictures - these are what the auction house has loaded! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1orBt9X3of0XOuY-SxK8cLWV3drCbMlPk/view?usp=sharing

I can't see anything wrong with it, but some of the recent repros are very difficult to spot. If you have had it more than 30 years, I would think you are safe. Check the weight against Numista. Check the silver content with the sliding magnet test, or better still if you have a jewel nearby that has the Xray gun thingamajig.

The missing obverse identification pictures have now been restored - thanks to Richard.

Yes, the duplicated Varieties list has cleared - thank you. I still get the missing images though.

I have PM'ed Richard direct and he does not see the same error at his end, so he has suggested I ask here if anyone else is getting it. Two specifics: 1. In the George V Varieties page, the list of varieties appears twice, one straight after the other. 2. In the George V Obverses page where it offers images to distinguish types A,B,C and D, the images are missing with the broken link icon. Can anyone seeing this try on their machines and see if they have the same error? https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/george-vi-varieties/ https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/george-v-obverses/

To me they look more like crossed ceremonial maces. I can't see any Maori influence in the overall design. The handles don't make sense as oars. Is the other side the same?

Both seem to work. well done for finding a work-round. (Can't help you with the coin!)

Interestingly my email to Chris has just bounced back after "repeated attempts to deliver" and a lot of other error messages indicating server failure at predecimal.com.

I emailed Chris direct earlier today. I will let you know if I hear anything.

I would say a contemporary counterfeit. I don't like the shape of the forehead, nor the irregular date. Weight is about 2/3rds of the minimum indicated in Peck.

Reference my comment on a link in LCA site - CANCEL! I think I was thinking of another auction house - possibly Noonans.

Do you mean the live bidding that you can access from their main website? It only becomes available on the day of the auction and you can't even see the button for it at any other time, which I found rather confusing too.

Just tried submitting a new topic in For Sale - same issue. I tried both with text and picture, then with just picture - same result. It seems I can only post text at the moment.

I would suggest the 1816 is a contemporary forgery in pewter. The colour looks all wrong for Silver, and the wear is excessive. (They were often made ready worn to disguise any imperfections.)

Hi @Chris Perkins, Any progress on this? I saw someone - presumably from your host company - making test posts successfully to this thread, but most of the rest of us are still getting the error. I could post a screenshot of the error page we get when we encounter the problem. If you or someone from the hosting company PMs me an email address I can do that. (Obviously I can't post it here!) P

Hi @Chris Perkins it might be worth the host reading the thread in Members, Coin Acquisition of the week as that has quite a lot more discussion on this problem.

Not that it is any more likely to be correct than any other source, but my old copy of Krause (38th edition dated 2010) reads: 1960 - 1,024,000 1960 Prooflike - 70,000 1960 Proof - Note VIP proof - 30-50 pieces So that maybe where people are getting that figure. No figure against Proof suggests they have no data on that. They do not list Silver proof at all.

Things might be moving - I got 2 2022 £1 coins and a 2021 20p in change today. I have had the 2022 5p before and a couple of the 2023 CIII £1 coins, but nothing much else post 2020.

I tried to post my pics of the William II penny last night and again this morning - still no progress.

This just to record the issue several of us are experiencing when posting attachments to threads: When an attachment is dragged into the appropriate area, it appears there correctly, but when we go to save the post, the system jumps to an unformatted page with a "Forbidden" error. The detail talks about being "unable to access that page". I have tried many times, coming out of the thread and back in, even logging completely out of predecimal and back in, with the same problem. If I delete the attachment, the words of the post save fine. Can someone please look into this? It has now been several weeks since I was last able to post a picture.

My first school was in Englefield Green! Is St Cuthberts still going?

Yes @Coinery I hadn't really paid much attention to the variety before, but mine I believe is S2596 with the smaller rose and the elaborately decorated dress. The OP is S2594 I think with the larger rose and the plain dress. The latter is slightly scarcer. @Citizen H I see no problems with yours being fake. If you look at the form of the 5 in the date, it is the same on both examples. I don't know if it is still the case, but the main giveaway for the fakes was a blundered terminal to the cross fourchee. This was discussed somewhere on this forum at least 5 years ago.

Nice coin, but not particularly rare. Lovely history concerning their minting at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eloy_Mestrelle In that condition probably £80 to £100. At least is appears to be genuine - there are fakes around. Here is mine - slightly better condition:

Weight is within range (4.7 to 6.3g approx) and you would not expect a reeded edge on a farthing of that date. Apart from a lot of corrosion, I can't see much wrong with that one.

I think you are reading the figure for proof issues of this date, which is 1312. Regular business strike, of which this is an example, the figure is 7,010,000 !