Coys55

Classes 1-10 are Edward I. Neither are class 15d (Edward III), so 11-15 would be Edward II.

The first is a Henry III voided long cross vlass 3b, moneyer Nicole on London. I think the second is a class 10 Edward I penny of London.

Neither are class 1a. The obverse legends put the first in the range 10-15 and the second In the range 6-13. Both are London mint.

The obverse legend reads EDWA R ANGL DNS HYB I can't see any contraction (abbreviation) marks (commonly apostrophes) after any of the parts of the legend, although they could still be there unseen by me. The reverse legend reads CIVI TAS LON DON - So the mint is London That obverse legend is common to classes 6b, 8a, 10ab-11, 12a and 13 with 10ab-11 being the most common. So Edward I or Edward II (from class 11). Definitely not Edward III class 15d because the obverse legend doesn't fit. The left fleur on the crown looks broken to me, so that would probably mean class 11a. which would make it Edward II. That's my attempt with close reference to my Galata Guide to the Pennies of Edward I and II Edit: I should add that it is not really my main area of expertise, but I do have a fair number of these pennies (more than 30) and a good book on the subject.

First is London, but not so sure about the second. Maybe an A in the middle of the first part, so Canterbury?

Ah, I didn’t notice the diameter. Could be a threefarthings then.

Not really my period, but it looks like a 1561 Elizabeth I threehalfpence to me. The third, fourth and fifth issues did have dates, although not the penny.

I think I can see DRE, which could make it: Alisandre on C, G or GI (Ipswich) or R (Rochester). That would make it John class 5b or 5c. or Andrev on London, Canterbury, Lincoln or Winchester. Also John class 5. There's definiitely a ligated ND, but that wouldn't necessarily help to differentiate between the two. Possibly a C at the end of the mint signature? So, I'm going for ANDREV.ON.NIC, John class 5, Lincoln mint Anyone else?

Not much to go on, but definitely a John (Class 5 ?) or Henry III (class 6?)short cross penny. Still trying to work out the moneyer and mint

I agree that the fact that the others are all clearly English and mostly class 6 and 7 makes the Ilger more likely than not English too rather than a continental imitation. I don't think we can rule it out completely yet though. Either way it's a nice group.

Now we know its origins Gerry agrees that there may be enough irregularities for it to be a continental, although with the short-cross series irregularities are not necessarily indicative of anything. He says he'll take another look at it when he has some time. Rene, maybe you could post some pictures of the other Henry III coins is the find so that we can try to ID those and determine if they are English or possible continentals?

I wondered that too, but thought it looked a bit too good for one of those. The fact it was found in Europe does make me wonder again though and I did think that the initial cross was a bit weird as well.

Gerry agrees that it is a class 7a3 and is a new reverse legend to him. And if Gerry says it's new to him, then I it's probably new to everyone. Good find Rene.

I've posted an update in the original thread.

I've checked my copies of Mass and the very comprehensive Short Cross Legends (by Gerry Slevin) and neither have it, so yes it appears to be a very nice unrecorded variant. I think it's a class 7a3, although I'm happy to be corrected. I've emailed Gerry for his opinion on the variant and the class.