PWA 1967

I know this has been touched on before but have tried to take it a bit further. 1937 2+B Proof Unrecorded. About two years ago i took a penny i had bought off ebay to Colin Cooke coins , as Neil was on the phone i showed it to another dealer who was there. I only mention this as that was when i could not understand why some fantastic collections did not have one. When he had i look he told me it was a laquered normal penny explained why and i threw it in the bin.The dealer when i explained what i thought it was told me not to look as there was no such thing and maybe i was wasting my time.I didnt question him and he shall remain nameless as maybe at the time he was right and other people dont look.I casually looked at the ones on ebay but didnt really hold out much hope untill finding another.After Sharing pictures with a couple of forum members and seeing it in hand , again it started to make me think and just put it away.Just after Neil Paisley was round at the flat and i passed it him asking what it was he then confirmed it was a proof 100%.I then needed for my own piece of mind to try and find find another.John Stevenson had one that he believed was right as he had taken it from a set and i purchased that also. As they are unrecorded the next step was for them to be confirmed as proofs not really for the grade but more the proof label.I sent them both to PCGS and both came back PR65. UIN 34013361 & 3403362 During the course of looking i have also seen PCGS 82203674 & NGC 2720722-095PR64. I have also months ago contacted the Royal Mint although i have had a couple of replies there verdict is pending....... Not a clue how many there are as feel most still in sets and dont think people bother as really a MICRO variety and dealers only occasionally will look at the reverse. Reverse B has the sea line at the top of a tooth and an easy indicator. Sorry if its a Boring thread but anybody who has a set or 1937 Proof Penny please take a quick look. Pete.

I am better off saying nothing But that looks like the ebay one.......So will have to say not

Yes Bob your right Jon putting the two pictures together was a good idea as I have learned something and pointing to the six is the best indicator by far. Thank you Jerry for correcting me

Yes that just proves Jerry was right ,good idea Jon

Just looked it to me ,i stand to be corrected and sure you are right Jerry.its that little dig or different colour at the top of the diagonal that may of tricked me

Yes that is an open 3.

Another of which there are fakes, would have to be carefull not in the packaging of which even those are being opened and then heatsealed.

See i told you that you would find one.........Have faith

Think your dad would of kept them if Roman. Maybe farming tokens but not a clue.......Maybe go and dig them back up

Although penny collectors have probably got one....... another 1903 Open. Thought i would put it on (incase anyone does want one ) untill Friday when i will pass it on with the 1854 no colon to a dealer. Please PM me for pictures as upgraded my IPhone on Saturday and cant reduce the size of the pictures yet 1903 open 3..........£45 including postage. Pete.

We have all done it and sure you will find one Good luck.

Problem is they are making new ones every month and will only get better at it , the book could end up almost weekly . IMO will only make new collectors pissed off as when they buy one and fnd its a copy will lose interest. These in the years to come could of been the people buying forum members coins when they come to sell and can only damage the future of coin collecting. There are people buying decimal coin copies for £50-£100 every day kew gardens ,lines on face etc. Its not just the rare or scarce coins but the ones widely available that people dont look at twice that could cause a big problem.

Yes you cant change the title ,need to start a new thread. The way they make a coin look worn and toned (1860 halfpenny) is good and if done on more common dates were people dont look the same will definately fool people. Although the 1860 halfpenny has differences such as the milled edge they are well done as was looking at one in hand yesterday.

Might be tricky Paul they dont do the quadrum in -5 sizes Maybe the foam is slightly giving and will hold it firm at 19mm although i dont have one to try. Why i was typing i decided to have a look and Andy Jack says 19mm for a sixpence. Spending this time looking and maybe partridge doesnt like them

Maybe try a quadrum coin capsule they have a foam insert which will help grip the coin. They are only about £1 and think the sixpence is 19mm ,maybe buy one and if its suitable you can get them cheaper if you want a box of ten. Just enter quadrum capsule on ebay to see the pictures and prices. Someone on here may have another option . Welcome to the forum

With dots that size there could be hundreds Maybe see if you can find another in the same place.

Not for me its in the wrong place.

Welcome to the forum Kev

Thank you. If you ,Steve hill and the TPGs cant tell the difference in the 1937 Crown (VIP) i am glad i dont want to buy one

Can anyone help ,is the one for sale a VIP ? If yes or no how do you tell the difference please ?.

Yes thats what confuses me Jaggy as not got a clue about them

So its not a VIP one as described in the sellers description and is just a normal £50 one ?.

Says on his description only six VIP ones known .....you have two Is his a VIP proof ?. How do you tell the difference in a 1937 VIP proof and a normal proof ?.

Didnt realise as not my thing the provincial notes but used to see him and his wife at wakefield show and remember him getting it printed. Maybe he has a copy otherwise ian gradon or pam west might be worth a try. I doubt anyone on here has one (hopefully i am wrong) and would bet only a couple of hundred were printed which is why i mentioned the disc Good luck

I think it was produced in limited numbers and then after available on disc if i remember correctly. Roger has /had a site and telephone number and probably worth asking him first as sure he will have copies even if only on disc format.