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I thought this article might be of interest. They look in pretty decent condition for a hoard. I see a couple of Irish examples on the top. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68685683

I picked this one up recently , A stunning piece as you can see 😂.I wish . But , its an F21 3+d 1861 and on Richards rare list I payed sixteen pounds for it in a terrible state . Both pictures below and after a clean up

Martin Allen has now recorded the coin and all is explained! https://emc.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/full-record/20240117?&0=10540980&1=10540981&2=10540982&3=10540983&4=10540984&5=10540985&6=10540986&7=10540987&8=10540988&9=10540989&10=10540990&11=10540991&12=10540992&13=10540993&14=10540994&15=10540995&16=10540996&17=10540997&18=10540998&19=10540999&20=10541000&21=10541001&22=10541002&23=10541003&24=10541004&25=10541005&26=10541006&27=10541007&28=10541008&29=10541009&30=10541010&31=10541011&32=10541012&33=10541013&34=10541014&35=10541015&36=10541016&37=10663673&38=10663674&39=10663675&40=10663676&41=19870154&42=19880184&43=19930227&44=19940222&45=19950173&46=19950174&47=19970154&48=20000052&49=20010662&50=20060124&51=20070062&52=20100263&53=20120085&54=20130102&55=20130350&56=20150295&57=20170052&58=20180144&59=20180289&60=20200413&61=20210408&62=20220008&63=20230112&64=20240117 Jerry

Happy to help.

I suppose you have to be pleased he got the monarch right . LOL

I think it is a "fantasy" coin. The legends are completely different to the real thing and so the maker never intended it to be a fake. But anything can happen if someone can see "1902" when "1905" is shown.

And here's another with die clash marks like yours by the ribbon, and in front of Victoria too. They are the remnants of Britannia's drapery etc. from the clash with the reverse die.

Very common occurrence.

Just die clash marks where the dies have come together without a blank in between, resulting in transferring of some of the opposite side's design into that die and so causing permanent damage that then is transferred to any subsequent coins struck from that die. Very common, especially in the Viccy penny series.

If Michael has no copies available, I'm happy to let mine go. Purchased from Michael, as new, when first published. And unfortunately unused. ( My pockets aren't deep enough for pennies).

He also was one of the Doormen at the 'Ye Pyg and Whystel', since it used to get a bit rough at chucking out time, after five flagons of mead.....

I have emailed Michael to see whether he has any copies left.

Wow. 1p coins dated 1936, 1945, and 1967??

The Royal Mint Museum has confirmed that 28.30 mm is incorrect and according to "the data used in the Museum, sourced from the production records held in our archive" the diameter for all florins from 1893-1970 should be 28.50 mm.

His other items are equally as bad...

As an introduction, I've gathered coins over the years, as did my father. Now I'm retired, time to organise them. That's generating questions, and showing up some surprises.... I found half a sixpence - literally, just the reverse - 1960. No signs of cutting or forcing, rim is still sound, looks like a planchet delamination Farthings - I've got those organised - one binder with the "best" of each year I have, another with all the others - about 80 and 110 respectively. Most interesting to my untrained eye is an 1860 toothed/beaded border Grading is a real mystery - the book on grading above has a multi-month delivery - need to find one Cleaning - interesting discussion - I have some sticky coins (old PVC holders I presume) - de-natured alcohol has worked well (for the coins and me - mine's single malt) I have two 1953 farthing - crown cased sets - one shows tarnish on the copper, the other has a piece of "tarnish reducing paper" in it - that didn't work, they are all bad - anything to do? Thinking acetone.... On the other hand, the 1970 proofs in a rigid plastic case are gorgeous still! Any thoughts and/or advice welcome... I'm still exploring this forum - lot's of good info there. Once I see where to post, I'll get some questions and photo's up As background, I was born in England, live in Massachusetts, and I just entered my ninth decade of life - a good opportunity to get into coins! SteveW

The sixpence could easily be a split flan with the other half missing - as per this threepence.

great idea at the time has backfired, I certainly hope not!

There seems to be great confusion about the diameter of the UK silver florin between 1893 and 1970. Some sources, including the Royal Mint shop and the Numista website, indicate a change of diameter in 1937, giving 28.30 mm for 1893-1936 and 28.50 mm for 1937-1970. Other sources give a single (but different!) diameter for all florins between 1893 and 1970: Krause (28.3 mm), Wikipedia (28.5 mm), Peter Davies (28 mm) and Matthew Dickinson (28.5 mm). Analysis of the coins in my collection refutes the idea of a small increase in diameter in 1937. On the contrary, there is a statistically significant decrease in diameter. I find no evidence for the existence of a florin measuring 28.30 mm of any date. For 1893 to 1936, the diameters measured range from 28.44 to 28.74 mm. From 1937 to 1970, from 28.36 to 28.57 mm. Assuming that the Mint measured in inches, my conclusion is that the correct (nominal) diameters for florins are as listed below: Godless 1849: nominal diameter 1.10 in = 27.94 mm (rounded to 28 mm) Gothic 1852-1887: 1.18 in = 29.972 mm (30 mm) Jubilee 1887-1892: 1.16 in = 29.464 mm (29.5 mm) 1893-1936: 1.125 in = 28.575 mm (28.6 mm) 1937-1970: 1.12 in* = 28.448 mm (28.4 mm) *Another possibility is that the diameter was “metricated” in 1937 to 28.50 mm Unfortunately the Coinage Acts give only the weight and fineness of each denomination, and not the diameter. Any thoughts on this would be gratefully received.

Found an F14...