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As the saying goes, philately gets you nowhere... 😉

Well, I would love to be a Numismatist , but alas I'm an Oldmismatist 😧

Trotters ??? - I think the name gives it away Rodders.

Oooh, I bet Guy will be cross at having let that one go……. Jerry

Not ebay, but it transcends this dubious online establishment. An email landed in my inbox today offering coins, watches and other items. Coins section attached. Esteemed Antique and Coin Dealers, As Trotters Jewellers UK, we find ourselves at the intersection of elegance and legacy. Today, we extend an exclusive invitation to discerning collectors like you-a chance to acquire remarkable pieces that transcend time. 1. The Back Story Our recent transaction was no ordinary affair. Through a seamless part-exchange sale, our coveted watches found new homes, and in return, we acquired an eclectic assortment of antique items and coins. These treasures, meticulously curated, now await your discerning eye. A. British Coins. 47 British Coins Collection: A symphony of £2 coins, each bearing rare errors subtly hidden within their circular motifs. These coins are not mere currency; they are whispers of history. Yours for £3000.00. 1971 New Pence 2p Coin: A relic from the past, its copper gleam carries memories. Valued at £2500.00. Rare 1p Coin Set: Three monarchs, three eras-these copper coins, minted in 1936, 1945 and 1967, bear the weight of time. Yours for £2150.00 Bank of England Queen Elizabeth One Pound Notes: A pristine set of two consecutive notes, a testament to regal elegance. Priced at £2250.00 Rare Two Pound (£2) UK Coin, The First World War 1914 - 1918: Commemorating valor and sacrifice, this coin stands tall at £3800.00 King Charles 50 pence Coin: An elusive find, steeped in history. Yours for £2850.00. etc. THE INVITATION - These treasures await their next custodian. Contact us at salesdepartment@trottersjewellersltd.co.uk Disclaimer: Prices are subject to market fluctuations. Each piece carries a story; let it become part of yours. Judd Green, Trotters Jewellers UK, 19 Great Winchester St, EC2N 2JA, London The 50p might be worth it if it's a Charles I.

Its First day cover as in Stamps. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=first+day+cover&_sacat=0&_odkw=penny+coin&_osacat=0

Wow

No a mate of mine spotted one in The Coinery auction at the weekend that was much better ,bored i decided to look for another 😀 https://auctions.thecoinery.co.uk/catalogue/lot/8926bb53b9b01d6edf3d15ef57ebfa35/81b29ab6fa187a02a829c1899b734425/auction-29-a-general-sale-of-coins-related-numismat-lot-47/

Probably correct for the time, but times change. The Chinese are now the quick witted and the Brits and the West in general are backward and slow in thought. Time to wake up to our selves. The truth always hurts.

A couple of 1855 Pennies both really hard to find in grades above VF ,both purchased not attributed. DOT on Forehead & Three colons after FID.

Agreed. It is that absence of intrinsic value (for want of a better word) that distinguishes it from gold or even fiat money (which has intrinsic value to fill teeth or settle tax liabilities and damages awards, as the case may be). Without something against which to benchmark premia or discounts, the market can only price on the basis of speculation of future prices based on past prices (which is what the technical analysis chart above in this thread is doing). That speculative price action is inherently unstable - which is fantastic for speculation but terrible for “store of value”, which is one of the requirements for something to be generally accepted in payment; i.e., to be “money”. Without that benchmark, the speculation can take it anywhere - to the heavens or to hell …

Yes. And no. Judaism embraces all Jews, including those who are atheists. The defining of what exactly Jews are is one of the trickiest things, and probably unique in world history.

Calling a spade a spade is good - and that applies to each of the bad actors (individuals or institutions) in current conflicts. Attributing aggression to “the Russians” as a people comes close to the same category error as the snippet at the beginning of this thread “but for her people being slow in thought and backward”. In my view, the category error is between a people (the Chinese, the Russians) and the culture and historical system (imperial). Perhaps I am splitting hairs in this instance, but the mantra I often resort to is “culture matters, race not at all”. There is an unfortunate reversion in our current culture of identity politics to invert that - to assume that one culture is no better or worse than any other; and that somehow race is important. The reversion is back to the imperial mindset of the snippet. Woke mindset is an intellectual and moral cultural regression. We as a people can do better than that.

I wouldn’t single out the Russians. There is not an empire in the whole of human history that has not been expansionist. Human history is the ebb and flow between the two poles of tribalism and empire: the one gives way to the other, back and forth, the world over. The birth of the nation state in Western Europe (and the Westphalian system that it became) is an historical anomaly and alien to much of the world relative to endless tribalism and empire.

Do you know why he died so young (42)? I think that's the normal higher tide 1mm variety.

I recently bought this 1895 penny, completely outside my usual area of interest, as I'm doing some research into George de Saulles. I know next to nothing about pennies, but assume from the price I paid that this is the more common variety of high/low tide on the reverse?

With a provenance of this quality it’s got to be worth well into three figures……..😁 Jerry

Your top picture and the one Peck posted are both the scarcer REV C and probably were the difference is.

I've still got my Dad's collection. A lot of FDCs that will probably raise a few pennies each if that. EII, mostly mint, which will likely do similarly poorly. I hate to think what he spent on them all. Only thing that might be of interest now is some early Ukraine/ Russia/ Poland which might be worth something, particularly at the moment. But I have no idea about any of those and I can't read any of the catalogues he had as they're in Polish. I guess I'll look into it one day.. 😕

I have since discovered that George de Saulles died of peritonitis after surgery for appendicitis.

In fact he was only 41. So far I have only found that he died after a "very short illness". In his obituary in the Numismatic Chronicle, his former employer John Pinches suggests that overwork contributed to his death: "It is to be feared that his devotion to his art, which kept him working early and late, weakened a constitution never very robust and helped on the end so much to be deplored."