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[SilverAge3]

Workman Collection
That tracks

Was Bernard the father, James the son, or vice versa? Or neither. 

Edited October 22, 2024 by SilverAge3

[SilverAge3]

On that note, I'd love to track down copies of the James Workman Penny Collection auction catalogues. That was all before my time of collecting.

 

Also, if there are print copies for this auction with Sovereign Rarities on 19th November, I hope I'm able to secure one. Bit tougher sometimes, across the pond.

Edited October 22, 2024 by SilverAge3

[secret santa]

3 hours ago, SilverAge3 said:

Was Bernard the father, James the son, or vice versa?

Bernard is the father and a good friend of mine.

You can view the online catalogues at Colin Cooke.

https://www.colincooke.com/collections/

[Bruce]

18 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

Will be online soon with Sovereign Rarities if you google it and a collection of rare pennies 👍.

Medal catalogue is online now. Some superb and rare examples, and in overall the estimates are very strong for all medals especially those more common ones.

[Peckris 2]

Wow, I never knew Bernie was selling his penny collection. I remember his 'Wanted' ads in Coin News in the 90s. I also didn't know he was the owner of the 1954.

Edited October 22, 2024 by Peckris 2

[VickySilver]

I suppose that was his capping specimen - the 1954. I wonder what it might fetch?? I also wonder about the 1922 specimen penny and how it night go price wise.  

[Coys55]

Nothing very interesting for you, just an 1866 penny that I found in a bag when I was about 12 (so almost 60 years ago). I remember finding it because it was the best Victoria Penny I ever found in my numerous 10/- (?) penny bag searches. When I found it it had been highly polished, but has mostly toned again now, although I assume that it can still be recognised as polished. I assume it was someone's lucky penny and it accidentally found its way back into circulation.

Anyone care to ID it variety-wise?

[jelida]

Straightforward obverse 6 reverse G  but a tidy enough coin.

Jerry

[Peckris 2]

3 hours ago, Coys55 said:

Nothing very interesting for you, just an 1866 penny that I found in a bag when I was about 12 (so almost 60 years ago). I remember finding it because it was the best Victoria Penny I ever found in my numerous 10/- (?) penny bag searches. When I found it it had been highly polished, but has mostly toned again now, although I assume that it can still be recognised as polished. I assume it was someone's lucky penny and it accidentally found its way back into circulation.

Anyone care to ID it variety-wise?

Nice find - beats any bun penny I found in 5/- penny bags (the best would have been 1890 1891 1892 in VG). I do remember switching to 3d and in the first bag I checked was a 1949!

[Sword]

The bun pennies would have circulated for ca 100 years by the 1960s and would be in very low grades unless saved for some reason. Glad you kept it. 

18 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

Nice find - beats any bun penny I found in 5/- penny bags (the best would have been 1890 1891 1892 in VG). I do remember switching to 3d and in the first bag I checked was a 1949!

That would be like finding a Kew garden 50p before people got crazy about them. Hope you have kept it too. 

[copper123]

TBH most buns had disappeared by 1968 - 69 probably many more were around in the mid sixties but then they were in terrible grade I  bought a mint bag weighing quite a few kilos from e ebay about a year back and found 2 1869 coins which corroborates the sellers story that they were unsearched 

[blakeyboy]

I've been offered 500kg of pennies from change, in copper fire buckets.

Gonna be £3k plus, due to the scrap.

Seller is adamant they are unchecked,

maybe true, since as I was talking with him on his market stall, I found an 1897 F148 'High tide' in one of his 10p tins....

 

All this takes me back to my dog-eared 'check your change' book, that went everywhere with me in the late '60's....

...Co-op, probably 1967, corner of Bewdley Street and Crowther Street in Kidderminster,

and I saw my mother receive an 1860- date visible only, but the oldest I had ever seen.....I think I still have it.....

 

[SilverAge3]

Keep us posted if you buy it. I'm curious. That sort of lot is probably rare enough there, and absolutely unlikely over here.

[Kipster]

Quick question regarding this 1898. It's a wide date of 11 teeth, but not the bisect variety. Is this a scarcer variety than the BP1898Ba and BP1898Ca?

 

[terrysoldpennies]

I would think the quick answer to that is no, as I would consider both the bisecting types to rarer.

[secret santa]

2 hours ago, Kipster said:

Is this a scarcer variety than the BP1898Ba and BP1898Ca?

Gouby says this variety (1898Ab) is "scarce ?"

But 1898 Ba and Ca are both "rare"

So, almost certainly No but I doubt that anyone has done a serious analysis.

Edited October 26, 2024 by secret santa
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[Kipster]

Thanks both. 

Whilst on the subject of 1898's, I bought this other one at auction last year, described as 'prooflike'. The fields look quite hairlined, particularly when you look at the outline of Victoria on the reverse, similarly on the obverse. They all look to run in the same direction and not over the legends/bust, so could this possibly be just die polishing or something else? They are crystal clear with an illluminated loupe, but very hard to capture on a mobile.

 

 

[secret santa]

I think "proof-like" should be taken with a pinch of salt. The scratches look quite harsh.

P.S. Victoria is on the obverse; Britannia on the reverse.

[Kipster]

Yes, I know, sorry, I wasn't clear. When you look at the reverse, the outline of Victoria on the obverse can be seen quite easily, ghosting if you will, which seems to be highlighted more where these parallel lines appear. The lines on the obverse image above are all vertical, as are those on the reverse, and fill the fields on both sides, but there is still a great deal of lustre remaining.

[PWA 1967]

1 hour ago, Kipster said:

Thanks both. 

Whilst on the subject of 1898's, I bought this other one at auction last year, described as 'prooflike'. The fields look quite hairlined, particularly when you look at the outline of Victoria on the reverse, similarly on the obverse. They all look to run in the same direction and not over the legends/bust, so could this possibly be just die polishing or something else? They are crystal clear with an illluminated loupe, but very hard to capture on a mobile.

 

 

Thats just been cleaned as can be seen under the arm and to the right of the trident, with all the lines confirming it.

[Kipster]

All the way around the bust outline? Would've thought Baldwins would have picked up on that and mentioned it at least.

[PWA 1967]

4 minutes ago, Kipster said:

All the way around the bust outline? Would've thought Baldwins would have picked up on that and mentioned it at least.

Yes , plenty cleaned pennies are sold everyday.Just depends on what the buyer / seller thinks and will tolerate. some are obviously worse than others.The one pictured you obviously considered to be ok when you bought and received it and just giving my own opinion.

[Kipster]

I didn't go and view it as it wasn't that dear, and when I got it it was given a cursory look over and just put in the cabinet. Only now that I'm selling most of what I have is everything being given a thorough looking at. Oh well, caveat emptor as they say. 

[Peckris 2]

On 10/24/2024 at 3:34 PM, Sword said:

That would be like finding a Kew garden 50p before people got crazy about them. Hope you have kept it too. 

Indeed I have! Along with all my decent finds from the late 60s, which include the first ever 1926 penny I found - which, after several months and a very close look, turned out to be an ME - plus an UNC 1938 halfpenny with good lustre, an EF 1935 halfpenny with lustre, and a 1909 halfpenny in better than VF.

[Sword]

10 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

Indeed I have! Along with all my decent finds from the late 60s, which include the first ever 1926 penny I found - which, after several months and a very close look, turned out to be an ME - plus an UNC 1938 halfpenny with good lustre, an EF 1935 halfpenny with lustre, and a 1909 halfpenny in better than VF.

The decimal era was well in by the time of my teenage years and there weren't anything remotely exciting to be found in change. Just the CuNi florins and shillings circulating as 10p and 5p coins. I still have some of the stuff I collected but they only have sentimental rather than numismatic value. But it has occurred to me that the "modern" commemoratives I saved  are not so modern now as decades have passed. The most notable set I have kept is the 1975 Panama proof set which featured then the world's biggest and smallest "circulating" coins. I would hardly be impressed by that sort of gimmick today. Even the humble rocking horse crown is now 89 years old and will soon reach "antique" status.