VickySilver Posted June 10, 2021 Posted June 10, 2021 Not a coin for me, but the point has been made before that on such a coin, that is IMO probably the "technical" grade - there is much lustre (original minted surface) showing on both obverse and reverse. The obverse is softly struck with some, but not a lot, wear. As I understand it, the grade then is based on the amount of wear and evidence or residual minted surfaces. So not a problem with the technical 50 grade in my book, but a problem aesthetically with the lack of detail - also for a coin of this date I question the slabbing. Price? Mehhhh.... Quote
Diaconis Posted June 10, 2021 Posted June 10, 2021 https://coinsweekly.com/ccg-hires-new-senior-grading-finalizer-and-no-end/ I hope hes not in to brandy and champagne like his namesake. Mind you judging by some of the recent grading anomalies some graders might be. 1 Quote
ozjohn Posted June 10, 2021 Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, VickySilver said: Not a coin for me, but the point has been made before that on such a coin, that is IMO probably the "technical" grade - there is much lustre (original minted surface) showing on both obverse and reverse. The obverse is softly struck with some, but not a lot, wear. As I understand it, the grade then is based on the amount of wear and evidence or residual minted surfaces. So not a problem with the technical 50 grade in my book, but a problem aesthetically with the lack of detail - also for a coin of this date I question the slabbing. Price? Mehhhh.... IMO still looks like wear to me especially the obverse. The highest points are all worn with the only detail on the lower parts of the hair where contact wear is minimized. In my experience lightly struck coins of this era are for the most part are patchy. For example a George V first type florin. On the obverse the King's ear, and the hair just above are the most likely affected with the lions on the shield on the reverse corresponding to the same area similarly affected with the rest of the coin remaining fairly sharp As for technical grade I think PCGS etc. should in their opinion note that the coin is a lightly struck example. I have and old set of encyclopedias called The Children's Encyclopedia by Arthur Mee that shows the operation of the Royal Mint in the 1930s. One thing that struck me, pardon the pun was the visual inspection the freshly minted coins shown as part of the process. You would hope that most of the really badly minted coins would have been culled at this stage of production. Edited June 11, 2021 by ozjohn typo Quote
JJs Posted June 11, 2021 Posted June 11, 2021 I suppose having no discernable detail is quite rare https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313561700903?hash=item4901bbda27 2 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted June 11, 2021 Posted June 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, JJs said: I suppose having no discernable detail is quite rare https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313561700903?hash=item4901bbda27 Saxon Roman? He's certainly hedging his bets! Surprised he didn't include Greek, Persian, and plumber's mate too... 5 Quote
copper123 Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 On 6/2/2021 at 7:16 PM, secret santa said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114834798543?hash=item1abcaff7cf:g:dMAAAOSwNhJgklqM £600 for a worthless 1900 penny, and that's not the worst bit - economy delivery is a mere £800 !!!!! What planet do these cretins inhabit ? Northern ireland apparently Quote
copper123 Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) On 6/10/2021 at 8:20 PM, Diaconis said: https://coinsweekly.com/ccg-hires-new-senior-grading-finalizer-and-no-end/ I hope hes not in to brandy and champagne like his namesake. Mind you judging by some of the recent grading anomalies some graders might be. Keith moon a top coin grader ? I thought hes having a party with freddie mercury and john bonham . Edited June 13, 2021 by copper123 2 Quote
copper123 Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) On 6/13/2021 at 10:40 AM, copper123 said: Keith moon a top coin grader ? I thought hes having a party with freddie mercury and john bonham . I always thought keith was into bourbon big time in geezer butler's book hes always on about it , all those long american tours i surpose Edited June 14, 2021 by copper123 1 Quote
JJs Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265193917882 It was either this or a dodgy teddy bear from this seller. Personally I would need a photo of Beonna holding this coin, signed by Beonna himself, before I would consider it for more than £3.50 3 Quote
Michael-Roo Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 50 minutes ago, JJs said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265193917882 It was either this or a dodgy teddy bear from this seller. Personally I would need a photo of Beonna holding this coin, signed by Beonna himself, before I would consider it for more than £3.50 From the same seller: Plenty of lustre, good extremely fine. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265200000574?hash=item3dbf26de3e:g:TYsAAOSwt6FgzIDD 1 Quote
Paddy Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 46 minutes ago, Michael-Roo said: From the same seller: Plenty of lustre, good extremely fine. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265200000574?hash=item3dbf26de3e:g:TYsAAOSwt6FgzIDD He can't even get the date right! 4 Quote
Rob Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Paddy said: He can't even get the date right! He must have copied and pasted some of this. Using otherwise good extremely fine has all the attributes of a dealer description. Just about everything is wrong. Title - 1806 instead of 1807. 'No berries on branch', which I suggest is mainly due to the coin being corroded to b*****y. Only 1806 has no berries. Green toned, plenty of lustre - bizarre. 'Weakly struck in legend' - actually, after allowing for its general condition such as the wear to the bust, it's about as good as you will get in terms of legend as this series is notorious for filled letters. Can't comment on clashed dies given the condition. 'Ring of verdigris on the exergue' - presumably that's the exergue on the reverse at 3 o'clock? I reckon he's copied a description of an 1806 from somewhere and just changed the date 1 1 Quote
Sword Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 42 minutes ago, Rob said: He must have copied and pasted some of this. Using otherwise good extremely fine has all the attributes of a dealer description. He has indeed. Copied from Baldwin's fixed price list. https://issuu.com/baldwinscoins/docs/baldwin_s_fpl_2014_w_-_for_issuu.co Page 123. 1 Quote
jelida Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) This is truly disgraceful fraud. An obvious fake, deliberately toned, with a supposed ‘certificate of provenance’ which is illiterate and means nothing. Signed by a ‘Matthew Wicks’, interestingly the same surname as the crooked antiquities dealer who is serving time as a result of the Herefordshire Saxon Hoard debacle. And also from Forest Row, Sussex. A co- incidence surely? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313619400575?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e112358.m43.l1123&mkcid=8&bu=43208328969&osub=-1~1&segname=16TE179832_T_ENDSOON_CT1&crd=20210731090000&ch=osgood&sojTags=osub%3Dosub%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Cch%3Dch%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid Jerry Edited July 31, 2021 by jelida More info 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, jelida said: This is truly disgraceful fraud. An obvious fake, deliberately toned, with a supposed ‘certificate of provenance’ which is illiterate and means nothing. Signed by a ‘Matthew Wicks’, interestingly the same surname as the crooked antiquities dealer who is serving time as a result of the Herefordshire Saxon Hoard debacle. And also from Forest Row, Sussex. A co- incidence surely? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313619400575?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e112358.m43.l1123&mkcid=8&bu=43208328969&osub=-1~1&segname=16TE179832_T_ENDSOON_CT1&crd=20210731090000&ch=osgood&sojTags=osub%3Dosub%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Cch%3Dch%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid Jerry He's got 51 negatives, some of which also allude to fakes. Many of the negatives, somewhat curiously, have no comment at all. Not sure what that's all about. 1 Quote
copper123 Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 On 6/24/2021 at 3:38 PM, Paddy said: He can't even get the date right! EF its a pile of cra-p not worth 50p Quote
Paddy Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 He has it as a "Private Listing" so you can't even see the pattern to his shill bidding. 2 1 Quote
Michael-Roo Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) What makes you think it's clipped? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184924732438?hash=item2b0e5f7c16:g:cH0AAOSwdpRg40wG Edited July 31, 2021 by Michael-Roo 2 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 4 hours ago, 1949threepence said: He's got 51 negatives, some of which also allude to fakes. Many of the negatives, somewhat curiously, have no comment at all. Not sure what that's all about. And most of the recent positives are from the same "buyer" saying "Good seller! Hope to do more business in the future. Thank you. AAAA++++", all appearing together in a page of feedback but relating to different items. Suspicious or what? 2 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 48 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said: And most of the recent positives are from the same "buyer" saying "Good seller! Hope to do more business in the future. Thank you. AAAA++++", all appearing together in a page of feedback but relating to different items. Suspicious or what? ....and nearly all at the bargain basement price of just 99p. Another interesting thing I've just noticed is that the negatives have reduced from 51 to 50, and the first one, which I noticed earlier as it was quite animated, and referred to a fake, has vanished. The "coin" fetched £326.57. 2 Quote
Diaconis Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 9 hours ago, 1949threepence said: The "coin" fetched £326.57. Some people are really in for a shock when they come to sell on. I find it hard to believe that someone who is willing to pay over £300 hasn't educated themselves in such matters, after all it is not even a good fake. He also has an Elisabeth 1 sixpence which screams fake and now at £64. 'There's one born every minute' seems to hold true on eBay. 3 Quote
Michael-Roo Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 I see a number of people are bidding on his 'ancient' Greek offerings too. Mind you, all come with one of those certificates of provenance and you can't put a price on peace of mind...... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313618758283?hash=item4905227a8b:g:eLUAAOSwOfdhAS8h https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313618953554?hash=item4905257552:g:oaIAAOSwwatg5cOm 2 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 11 hours ago, Michael-Roo said: I see a number of people are bidding on his 'ancient' Greek offerings too. Mind you, all come with one of those certificates of provenance and you can't put a price on peace of mind...... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313618758283?hash=item4905227a8b:g:eLUAAOSwOfdhAS8h https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313618953554?hash=item4905257552:g:oaIAAOSwwatg5cOm Latest bids £4.50 and £14.50 respectively.. 😂 Quote
Michael-Roo Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 On each listing these statements can be found further down the page. 'Our supplier', singular, would seem at odds with the wording of those certificates of provenance. WE TAKE EVERY CARE TO ENSURE THAT THE DESCRIPTION AND SPECIFICATIONS ON OUR ITEMS ARE CORRECT. HOWEVER SPECIFICATIONS AND DESCRIPTIONS OF ITEMS ON ARE LISTINGS ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE BINDING AND ARE INTENDED ONLY TO GIVE A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM/S LISTED. ALL OF OUR COINS & ARTEFACTS ARE DESCRIBED IN THE WAY THAT WE PURCHASE THEM FROM OUR SUPPLIER. IF WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED THE DATING OF AN ITEM IN THE TITLE OR DESCRIPTION IT IS BECAUSE WE CANT SAY FOR CERTAIN THE DATING OF THE ITEM. IT IS PREFERABLE NOT TO PROVIDE DATING ON MANY OCCASIONS AS TO NOT MISLEAD THE CUSTOMER. 1 Quote
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