copper123 Posted February 22, 2024 Posted February 22, 2024 Ah that must be where marley bob gets her many many 1933 pennies along with the barely believable stories Quote
secret santa Posted February 22, 2024 Posted February 22, 2024 6 hours ago, SilverAge3 said: We should really be paying attention to the sources for ebay scammers, like this, and noting what is off with these copies, and help educate collectors. I'm building up some details of these fakes/replicas on my varieties site: https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/fakes-replicas/#top 3 Quote
SilverAge3 Posted February 22, 2024 Posted February 22, 2024 (edited) On one hand i'm tempted to buy one of every one of these i find, to have to inspect in-hand. On the other hand, i feel like i'm encouraging and supporting this racket if i do. I'd also need to collect many fake US 'coins,' as i collect those, and fakes target that market more aggressively (as US coins are a predominant market), altho I focus on US stuff far, far less. Richard, i look forward to your analysis of them. Sadly these things will be a constant game of whack-a-mole, or as i said earlier, an arms race. We must be armed and aware of new specimens, and be critical of ways to spot them. Looking at Jack Young as guidance, i mentioned his facebook group, although he focuses on US and US Colonial coinage, he has really a great eye for spotting characteristics of the counterfeits. His column at coin week is eye opening, even if i'm not on FB any longer, so can't see his group there (he has started one on MyCollect, a collector's social media site i am on). His column: https://coinweek.com/1799-draped-bust-dollar-counterfeit-jack-youngs-fun-with-fakes/ On MyCollect the groups tracking counterfeits are: https://www.mycollect.com/groups/counterfeitcoins https://www.mycollect.com/groups/ebayfakes It is a tiny social media site, nowhere near the activity i imagine is on FB groups, sort of more like what surviving forums have become, in terms of engagement. Even if they focus on US-based counterfeits, i learn from them and try to apply their knowledge to my field of interest, though i have yards to go to be as shrewd in this capacity. Also, nothing to stop users from posting about non-US fakes there, that is perfectly fine to do. Edited February 22, 2024 by SilverAge3 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted February 22, 2024 Posted February 22, 2024 Unfortunately, this dissemination of information can, and probably will, be a double edged sword. The producer (counterfeiter if applicable) can very easily learn his flaws and eliminate them in the future. Richard, what you are providing to to the collecting community is invaluable, yet, due to the knowledge being shared, we now have to be more vigilant. The never ending cycle of good against evil. As good as the top TPG's are (or at least claim to be), there are documented instances of them being fooled too. We now have to contend with both genuine & counterfeit coins placed in counterfeit holders. We also have had instances of genuine holders being opened and resealed with lower grade coins replacing the original. Unfortunately, there will always be someone uninformed who will be taken in by these coins or some who thinks the price is "too good to be true", not realizing that it truly is. Again Richard, thank you for your website, it is most informative and should if possible, when no longer being added to, be published somehow in reference form. Possibly in disk form structured as a website. 2 1 Quote
secret santa Posted February 23, 2024 Posted February 23, 2024 Yes, I'm conscious that I'm telling the manufacturers of these coins where they need to improve although that assumes that they're trying to produce absolute copies, which I'm not sure is true. 1 Quote
copper123 Posted February 23, 2024 Posted February 23, 2024 9 hours ago, secret santa said: Yes, I'm conscious that I'm telling the manufacturers of these coins where they need to improve although that assumes that they're trying to produce absolute copies, which I'm not sure is true. They are more interested in something that sells well as it produces a nice profit for them - they are not interested what happens to the coins , if they are passed on as genuine etc 1 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted February 27, 2024 Posted February 27, 2024 On 2/21/2024 at 11:38 AM, terrysoldpennies said: That coin has the modified head found on the 1926 ME and on the 1927 ? I saw that. I don't smell a rat, I smell a dead heffalump... 1 Quote
Martinminerva Posted February 27, 2024 Posted February 27, 2024 21 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said: I saw that. I don't smell a rat, I smell a dead heffalump... Just had a look back at that penny to see if any feedback left - no, of course, but noticed this for one of his previous recent "sales": Surprise, surprise!! If someone did "buy" the penny, rather than a shill bid, I would imagine we will be seeing a similar report soon... 😉 FEEDBACK FEEDBACK FROM BUYER/PRICE WHEN I wouldn’t trust this seller. Never have sent, provided wrong tracking number. Was trying to sell the same ring 2 times. Saphire Solitaire Stunning Stone And 18k White Rhodium Plated For Modern White L (#315130910855) s***t (491) £176.99 1 1 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted February 27, 2024 Posted February 27, 2024 1 hour ago, Martinminerva said: Just had a look back at that penny to see if any feedback left - no, of course, but noticed this for one of his previous recent "sales": Surprise, surprise!! If someone did "buy" the penny, rather than a shill bid, I would imagine we will be seeing a similar report soon... 😉 FEEDBACK FEEDBACK FROM BUYER/PRICE WHEN I wouldn’t trust this seller. Never have sent, provided wrong tracking number. Was trying to sell the same ring 2 times. Saphire Solitaire Stunning Stone And 18k White Rhodium Plated For Modern White L (#315130910855) s***t (491) £176.99 Feedback of 90% says it all really. Quote
Martinminerva Posted February 29, 2024 Posted February 29, 2024 On 2/27/2024 at 6:38 PM, Peckris 2 said: On 2/27/2024 at 5:04 PM, Martinminerva said: Just had a look back at that penny to see if any feedback left - no, of course, but noticed this for one of his previous recent "sales": Surprise, surprise!! If someone did "buy" the penny, rather than a shill bid, I would imagine we will be seeing a similar report soon... 😉 FEEDBACK FEEDBACK FROM BUYER/PRICE WHEN I wouldn’t trust this seller. Never have sent, provided wrong tracking number. Was trying to sell the same ring 2 times. Saphire Solitaire Stunning Stone And 18k White Rhodium Plated For Modern White L (#315130910855) s***t (491) £176.99 Feedback of 90% says it all really. The plot thickens slightly... Still no feedback received from the "happy" buyer, but the dodgy seller has left this positive comment below for the buyer... But of course, they could have left feedback for the shill, but wouldn't the shill then "reciprocate"?? Maybe someone has really bought it, and they're either ignorant, in for a major disappointment, or currently pursuing for a refund for item not as listed?! FEEDBACK FEEDBACK LEFT FOR WHEN Payed promptly .polite and easy to contact. Rare 1922 Penny Rev 1927 (#315165500518) Buyer: 0***6 Verified purchase Past month Quote
secret santa Posted February 29, 2024 Posted February 29, 2024 1 hour ago, Martinminerva said: Maybe someone has really bought it, and they're either ignorant, in for a major disappointment, or currently pursuing for a refund for item not as listed?! The seller doesn't own the reverse pictured so heaven knows what was sold, if anything. Quote
Martinminerva Posted March 1, 2024 Posted March 1, 2024 3 hours ago, SilverAge3 said: Got removed Apparently not. It completed and "sold" for £450, and the seller has left feedback as mentioned above. None of that could have happened if it was removed - unless something can be removed after the event, but I don't believe it can. A sale can be cancelled, of course... Here's the link again: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315165500518?itmmeta=01HQ4BZS9A4NM7ZVFA9MG6MAZ0&hash=item496153e466:g:y9gAAOSwvNFl04mN&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4N7kipPiTz0BCXQMgWC6iSMHj%2F5zvSQuQxWjY2cu6yNpjIZ%2F525P%2FMzwhnjKHRdVzwKOh6%2FxD6k4m96TMefoC3i%2FZ2un8azd78R6UEDf2IuGAYr0HhlODfACMlsManI4g1BRVpGQ5Sq39AMYB3bjQ5wmJK2xzvaT1gCcKIVsvA3uVJ8yJrk51DdWtXHwbQQI8xiym02pABGTJhbO165Zxo9HC4Zs5OB9xVhJ%2FunFcmFvno8bmwJUwd9jETHNc%2Bywt3%2Bkx7mF%2BLRWFiUYuLO2T%2FUNKhZ%2F9BZwQh8JWTUektfo|tkp%3ABk9SR96U_4u5Yw 1 Quote
PWA 1967 Posted March 5, 2024 Posted March 5, 2024 On 11/3/2023 at 3:34 PM, PWA 1967 said: This is a disgrace ,i sold the coin as an altered date on facebook and the buyer re sold as an altered date on eBay. Now this clown has decided to try and have someone over as genuine. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266487532448?hash=item3e0be50ba0:g:GIIAAOSw65xlRNRf&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwDKw%2Fdk1UJGufEcBK%2FHmtR34Tpcipq5SaM0Tvk4bm%2FIcXFCILu2ldfG6pQRQhp2iU7txJHl3pnNyQK7H9ecCe5dAjrWYi9BVkzsjbF3iHXjVjcYGTCjPNyF7gSQRAFEsucsR8hkFqFp7jJxhi%2FH0SIZHVGvYDlG7Hz2ftZkpihzd79jv96zRooBdjWl%2BPqHDfD8yIaHucgRcq4RzJS%2BQS7PSqtun1voQMnuBUYuxzl5dO8%2BKLoTdplXTtgqzJquKxg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9r4_tzyYg 👎 Now back with the original person i sold it to. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126363259683?itmmeta=01HR8BS0TMEWMNMHGZ87Y2NN81&hash=item1d6bd65323:g:1uQAAOSwpmRl54AG Quote
Peckris 2 Posted March 6, 2024 Posted March 6, 2024 13 hours ago, PWA 1967 said: Now back with the original person i sold it to. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126363259683?itmmeta=01HR8BS0TMEWMNMHGZ87Y2NN81&hash=item1d6bd65323:g:1uQAAOSwpmRl54AG Disgraceful. 4 over 5? Yes, if I own a 1959 penny or a 1968 halfcrown... Quote
PWA 1967 Posted March 6, 2024 Posted March 6, 2024 27 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said: Disgraceful. 4 over 5? Yes, if I own a 1959 penny or a 1968 halfcrown... It is an altered date with the 5 changed to a 4 ,he describes it right this time ,rather than the seller previously who was trying to sell it as a genuine 1843. Quote
secret santa Posted March 6, 2024 Posted March 6, 2024 I bought this coin as a forgery in November 1986 for £14 and sold it as such a few years ago for £30. 4 Quote
jelida Posted March 6, 2024 Posted March 6, 2024 9 hours ago, secret santa said: I bought this coin as a forgery in November 1986 for £14 and sold it as such a few years ago for £30. With a provenance of this quality it’s got to be worth well into three figures……..😁 Jerry 1 1 Quote
Rob Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 (edited) Not ebay, but it transcends this dubious online establishment. An email landed in my inbox today offering coins, watches and other items. Coins section attached. Esteemed Antique and Coin Dealers, As Trotters Jewellers UK, we find ourselves at the intersection of elegance and legacy. Today, we extend an exclusive invitation to discerning collectors like you-a chance to acquire remarkable pieces that transcend time. 1. The Back Story Our recent transaction was no ordinary affair. Through a seamless part-exchange sale, our coveted watches found new homes, and in return, we acquired an eclectic assortment of antique items and coins. These treasures, meticulously curated, now await your discerning eye. A. British Coins. 47 British Coins Collection: A symphony of £2 coins, each bearing rare errors subtly hidden within their circular motifs. These coins are not mere currency; they are whispers of history. Yours for £3000.00. 1971 New Pence 2p Coin: A relic from the past, its copper gleam carries memories. Valued at £2500.00. Rare 1p Coin Set: Three monarchs, three eras-these copper coins, minted in 1936, 1945 and 1967, bear the weight of time. Yours for £2150.00 Bank of England Queen Elizabeth One Pound Notes: A pristine set of two consecutive notes, a testament to regal elegance. Priced at £2250.00 Rare Two Pound (£2) UK Coin, The First World War 1914 - 1918: Commemorating valor and sacrifice, this coin stands tall at £3800.00 King Charles 50 pence Coin: An elusive find, steeped in history. Yours for £2850.00. etc. THE INVITATION - These treasures await their next custodian. Contact us at salesdepartment@trottersjewellersltd.co.uk Disclaimer: Prices are subject to market fluctuations. Each piece carries a story; let it become part of yours. Judd Green, Trotters Jewellers UK, 19 Great Winchester St, EC2N 2JA, London The 50p might be worth it if it's a Charles I. Edited March 21, 2024 by Rob 2 3 Quote
secret santa Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 Trotters ??? - I think the name gives it away Rodders. 2 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 6 hours ago, Rob said: Rare 1p Coin Set: Three monarchs, three eras-these copper coins, minted in 1936, 1945 and 1967, bear the weight of time. Yours for £2150.00 Wow. 1p coins dated 1936, 1945, and 1967?? 2 Quote
ozjohn Posted March 30, 2024 Posted March 30, 2024 1902 Proof Silver Half Crown Coin Edward VII | eBay One of the worst fakes I have seen Quote
Sword Posted March 30, 2024 Posted March 30, 2024 3 hours ago, ozjohn said: 1902 Proof Silver Half Crown Coin Edward VII | eBay One of the worst fakes I have seen I think it is a "fantasy" coin. The legends are completely different to the real thing and so the maker never intended it to be a fake. But anything can happen if someone can see "1902" when "1905" is shown. 1 1 Quote
copper123 Posted March 30, 2024 Posted March 30, 2024 U have to see this You plonkers - someone's actually bought one What a TIT 1 Quote
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