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Well... I've been watching the Timeline Auctions through the live bidding this afternoon as I had a couple of bids placed on two coins. 1. Didn't win the Richard III penny (lot 1229). It opened at 200. My maximum bid was 400, and it closed at 460. Nevermind. 2. I initially placed a bid of 200 on a lovely Edward IV penny (Second reign, type XXI) from the Archbishop sharp collection (lot 1240). I was out bid at 220, but I placed a last minute sneaky internet bid at 240 (300 with premium) and won. I'm pleased with this result because of the provenance... Looking forward to some more bidding on Thurs/Friday! Here's the coin!

Tee hee, my latest penny, King John!

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I have still got a roll any takers

Trying hard to find the positive - these coins are not aimed at the likes of us. If they prove the gateway drug for some other collectors who may then dip their toes further into numismatic waters, then all well and good. There's no way I would like to have any of those in my own collection, no matter how rare or valuable they may be.

Very pleased to add this John 5C to the folder. The Douglas Bayern collection, whoever he happens to be? think I’ll add it to penny acquisition and latest acquisition too! I’m that pleased!

If you look at the picture in Michael's book you can see the underlying 7 higher to the left and protruding from the left of the downstroke and the resulting 7 is slightly lower than the other numerals. Picture courtesy of Michael Gouby.

Picked up a rare 1874H 7 over 7 from our old friend Lucasz last week for £1.40.

Thanks, I've now got tea in my keyboard.

I understand I like holding the coin as well but I find it fun grading coins

Using an inflation calculator that £140 in 1969 would be £2190 today. The 1953 plastic sets you could probably get for the prices asked then, in absolute terms today. After inflation £14 in 1969 would be £219 !!! Late 60's coin boom. I suppose the other factor which pushed up prices was sheer availability. No internet then, which made collecting more difficult.

Excellent result, Stu ... I'm so glad you managed to bag that lovely penny

I think the thing that gives away the value changes since then most is that Registered Post was only 3/6 - 17.5p in modern money! I think the other coin that must have been very much top whack back then was the 1904 Half Crown for £140. Even in EF that seems a lot and not far off what you would pay for one now.

Yes F73 but not a Gouby ja reverse. They are not always easy to spot, I try to spot the slight convexity of the back of Britannia’s helmet, which is normally concave, as on this one. Practice on narrow date 1875’s, all of which are ja. Jerry

Definitely Freeman 73 and Gouby j. Gouby ja is a variant of Freeman 72 and doesn't have an H under the date. With apologies for the quoting issues. Not sure what's gone wrong.

Personally I find transfers/paint/artificial colour on coins really really hateful. I'd buy these literally for any profit margin to be had short term from the interweb hype.

Agreed. His prices have risen since he started. Some are extremely high IMO. I am waiting for an adjustment on some before i bid on a few , if not I'll look elsewhere.

I am rather inclined to think LCGS might not body bag it especially if it is own of their own coins. I am not taking a cheap shot at LCGS but I think one can justify giving a numeric grade in this case. The placement of the mark is very important in my view. A smaller mark on a focal area like the cheek is a lot more distracting than this one which is in the field near the edge.

Lacquering was common, Lindner sold a kit, I had one back in the ‘70’s. It was meant to help preserve the coin by excluding oils, moisture, salts etc, but was prone to varying thickness and dribbles.(sounds like me on a Friday night!) I don’t think it did much harm, though the ‘coin cleaner’ dip that one was meant to use first can’t have been good. It should come off easily with acetone dip, though whether your coin is lacquered I can’t tell from the photo. They usually look pretty obviously varnished. Jerry

Nice one here. Worth a bid. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/King-John-Short-Cross-Penny-Norwich-Moneyer-Renaud-Superb/183084005555

Gosh! I wouldn't have noticed unless you'd pointed that out. Looks like old King John has lost a few fingers with that flan crack!

I am pretty sure these are brass gaming tokens of the mid 19th century. Designed to look like the Gold guineas of the late 18th century, they regularly cause confusion! There are collectors of these, but not at great value. The one on the right is particularly nicely struck on the reverse.

Received this one yesterday. 1913 F175 Been after a nice one for ages. Terry

As I said previously, historically the term VIP was only used with the non-public issued years. There might have been a few sets that appeared down the years in a different style box, but I'm not sure there was ever a superior finish to these which was unambiguously better than the rest. As far as I can see, the term VIP was hijacked for use with the mass produced sets as a marketing tool for better cameo/strike examples of what was otherwise a common date and worth not a lot. Funny how you only see the term applied to the bigger, in your face denominations, and not the unpopular bronzes (Booooo) or florins et infra 'silver'. If the mint hasn't got a clue, then I would suggest it is mostly a case of wishful thinking, though there may be some superior quality coins within those so attributed. If they were genuinely identifiable, then an AU55 VIP should be quite possible.

I can safely say that all of my purchases are happliy sitting in my collection and won't be for sale any time soon (God willing).

My latest acquistion is courtesy of Richard, and is a Freeman 105. It's the ex Laurie Bamford (DNW auction June 2006, lot No 109). Really nice specimen. Thanks Richard.

how would you describe it ? proof, almost proof like ? brand new dies ? highly polished dies ? either way i think its pretty smart

Not sure, I got a copy from the ANA Library - really one of the very best articles on the subject I have ever seen with plenty of data. I might be able to photo these and send to email addy.

GVF at a pinch.

Agree 100%. Having peered into the murk I'd grade VF, or VF+ if being generous.

I'd also want better grading. Dark or not, there is no way that's EF.

the dies have defo had some prep work done or do the early strike definitive show this as well of you catch them early enough ? they even went to the trouble of doing jody clarks initials, £15 isn't so much when you can pay £13 for a base metal £2 coin, least its made of some precious metal lol

Ordered mate. I collect silver pennies. It's not Maundy but they look great. Never know they may become sought after in the future for 18th or 21st BD presents and for £18 it's well worth the gamble. Thanks.

sorry should have said, its struck in silver, the thing is it doesn't claim to be anything, https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/gifts/christening-and-baby-gifts/Baby-Boy-Silver-Penny/ i only bought it cause i noticed it had Christopher Ironsides reverse on it, and thought it was a bit quirky and i guess it just caught my eye, and also it might turn out to be quite an interesting piece, i doubt there are many collectors out there that are excited about it as i am lol apart from the 50p's £1 and £2's every thing else go by the wayside

Penny Acquisition of the year for me , just in time for Christmas. f164a Terry