mrbadexample Posted April 6, 2019 Posted April 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, 1949threepence said: They were supposed to be uncrackable. They are. This would never pass muster with Mr Average Joe, once he's pulled his loupe out and checked for the micro-lettering. 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted April 6, 2019 Posted April 6, 2019 6 hours ago, mrbadexample said: They are. This would never pass muster with Mr Average Joe, once he's pulled his loupe out and checked for the micro-lettering. It was always amusing the way cashiers used to hold notes up to the light to check their veracity, but at the same time would accept and pass the commoner fake £1 coins without so much as a second glance. Quote
Paddy Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 I would say fake - this has some of the characteristics of the fakes discussed on this forum about a year ago. The dents in the second one of the date and in the neck above look very familiar. Is the orientation right? These should be medal alignment, but the fakes were coin aligned. 1 Quote
Nick Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 2 hours ago, 1949threepence said: Fake or real? Fake. London Coins should know better. 1 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Paddy said: I would say fake - this has some of the characteristics of the fakes discussed on this forum about a year ago. The dents in the second one of the date and in the neck above look very familiar. Is the orientation right? These should be medal alignment, but the fakes were coin aligned. 2 hours ago, Nick said: Fake. London Coins should know better. Thanks chaps - that's exactly what I thought, but couldn't quite believe that London Coins would make such a schoolboy error. 1 Quote
secret santa Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 The original fake copper pennies were easy to spot with their shiny surfaces but it appears they're being produced with a more "lifelike" finish which is harder to spot. The coin below has already attracted several bids (although the starting price should be a clue) but is a modern copy. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria-UNC/174046700799?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De054dda566274366a6b0092fb5fbe2f0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D174046700799%26itm%3D174046700799%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573&_trksid=p2045573.c100667.m2042 If in doubt - count the teeth - 175 on the genuine obverse, 180 on the fake. 3 Quote
oldcopper Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, secret santa said: The original fake copper pennies were easy to spot with their shiny surfaces but it appears they're being produced with a more "lifelike" finish which is harder to spot. The coin below has already attracted several bids (although the starting price should be a clue) but is a modern copy. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria-UNC/174046700799?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De054dda566274366a6b0092fb5fbe2f0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D174046700799%26itm%3D174046700799%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573&_trksid=p2045573.c100667.m2042 If in doubt - count the teeth - 175 on the genuine obverse, 180 on the fake. The W.W. seems too large as well. Quote
Peckris 2 Posted October 1, 2019 Posted October 1, 2019 12 hours ago, secret santa said: The original fake copper pennies were easy to spot with their shiny surfaces but it appears they're being produced with a more "lifelike" finish which is harder to spot. The coin below has already attracted several bids (although the starting price should be a clue) but is a modern copy. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria-UNC/174046700799?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De054dda566274366a6b0092fb5fbe2f0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D174046700799%26itm%3D174046700799%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573&_trksid=p2045573.c100667.m2042 If in doubt - count the teeth - 175 on the genuine obverse, 180 on the fake. Why on earth produce repros that are so like the original? Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 10:21 PM, Peckris 2 said: Why on earth produce repros that are so like the original? I think you know why. 🙁 2 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, mrbadexample said: I think you know why. 🙁 Well, no I don't. Other repros - like Ed VII, 1933 pennies, and different Vicky coins - are made recognisably different and only a fool or a novice would be taken in. If it's so lifelike, then it's no longer a repro, it's a deliberate fake and designed to deceive. Edited October 3, 2019 by Peckris 2 3 Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Peckris 2 said: It’s a deliberate fake and designed to deceive. That would be my view. 🙁 1 Quote
blakeyboy Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 Me too. There is a line that can be crossed. Quote
JLS Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 10:34 AM, secret santa said: The original fake copper pennies were easy to spot with their shiny surfaces but it appears they're being produced with a more "lifelike" finish which is harder to spot. The coin below has already attracted several bids (although the starting price should be a clue) but is a modern copy. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria-UNC/174046700799?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De054dda566274366a6b0092fb5fbe2f0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D174046700799%26itm%3D174046700799%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573&_trksid=p2045573.c100667.m2042 If in doubt - count the teeth - 175 on the genuine obverse, 180 on the fake. All of the seller's other listings appear to be fake coins. The half stiver is hilariously bad. Some of the rest are pretty good. The only coin I think may be genuine is the Swiss thaler, although it has a strange tone. Quote
secret santa Posted October 4, 2019 Posted October 4, 2019 Despite my telling him to amend the description he has ignored it and the bidding is up to £93 now and will probably go higher. This is blatant fraud. 1 Quote
JLS Posted October 4, 2019 Posted October 4, 2019 3 hours ago, secret santa said: Despite my telling him to amend the description he has ignored it and the bidding is up to £93 now and will probably go higher. This is blatant fraud. I wonder whether it's worth stopping it by putting a few hundred pounds on it and then refusing to pay... Quote
secret santa Posted October 4, 2019 Posted October 4, 2019 43 minutes ago, JLS said: I wonder whether it's worth stopping it by putting a few hundred pounds on it and then refusing to pay... That crossed my mind but it could persuade someone that it's genuine and they might go even higher - that's the last thing I want. Quote
1949threepence Posted October 4, 2019 Posted October 4, 2019 4 hours ago, secret santa said: That crossed my mind but it could persuade someone that it's genuine and they might go even higher - that's the last thing I want. Might be worth reporting to e bay. Problem is, no-one there would know the difference. Quote
secret santa Posted October 5, 2019 Posted October 5, 2019 The seller has now blocked me and the price is over £100 - how does one contact Ebay about fraud ? Quote
Peckris 2 Posted October 5, 2019 Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, secret santa said: The seller has now blocked me and the price is over £100 - how does one contact Ebay about fraud ? Click the Report item button, and select from a list: "Restricted and Prohibited items" > "Stamps, currency, coins" > "Replica coins, [etc]" Quote
secret santa Posted October 5, 2019 Posted October 5, 2019 It has just sold for more than £300 - outrageous. I'll try the above later. Quote
ozjohn Posted October 5, 2019 Posted October 5, 2019 I've given up on ebay removing fakes from their listings. They are not interested. With the G III 1818 halfcrown was it coin or medal alignment? With regard to London Coins not detecting this coin as a fake raises the question of their ability to authenticate coins. I have always wondered about their expertise in this area. Quote
bagerap Posted October 6, 2019 Posted October 6, 2019 I've spent this evening listing 20 or so toy coins. Mostly Lauer which generally say "Imitation of" whatever. The listings all start TOY MONEY and they're listed under tokens. I had ebay autobots all over my a**e for the entire evening telling me that I couldn't list because blah blah blah. Sometimes I'd used identical wording just minutes before witout demur. As a result my listings will be finishing after midnight which is a practice that I usually find unprofitable. So my take from this is that genuine collectable articles can come under severe scrutiny but just list an outright fake and it's Absolutely fine Sir, enjoy your selling experience. Quote
fourmack Posted October 6, 2019 Posted October 6, 2019 bagerap--- I am interested in the toy coins ---what do you have? Quote
bagerap Posted October 6, 2019 Posted October 6, 2019 Follow the link to my ebay istings below. There's another 15 or so waiting for photographs so they'll be on next weekend Quote
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