Ebay's Worst Offerings

[secret santa]

15 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266978285026?_nkw=penny+coin&itmmeta=01J6ZD0QHG63NVNZYBB3B2Y19B&hash=item3e292555e2:g:g5kAAOSwmH9m2K8F&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmOOXhDfJShZ9k0rmGvI5hL4%2BUm9bpbNymp%2BBQnv2NskT24AngdvxxhL%2FehlD9wnlssFVcPLWBd%2BBd8E65rryXVT5%2BTBetWyGOygdiIVK9Lwht469lB9D6HHXPMH0tTW8sekZSWX0dHKcQZOq6Ed8tsEB2SNl1Buwc7Uf14PTkgQuvk4hGL1wvstNZF0pmY1jRmcyIuvWxg6FG10Yxix09XNglgQSAF4NnGv%2BofJHQVATEgeI%2B%2BZY3wa7G7n%2BnST0dUCHxrxIBXdMUoEohG7PtK|tkp%3ABk9SR-r4gu23ZA

This seller wants kicking off eBay he annoys me that much i wish i could meet him to tell him

Some naive buyer may well buy this. It's very frustrating.

[secret santa]

He has now taken it down after I'd messaged him.

[jelida]

4 hours ago, secret santa said:

He has now taken it down after I'd messaged him.

I’d messaged him too, referring him to your ‘Coin News’ article. 
Jerry

[blakeyboy]

I have a feeling that the message I sent him was the rudest.....!

 

[SilverAge3]

I'm not very familiar with ½d, especially from this era, does this one look really off, or am i mistaken?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/235650100917

[Paddy]

I would say this is a contemporary counterfeit rather than a modern fake. Still fairly collectable, but not to the tune of $575!

The seller, who makes themself out to be a bit of a coin expert, probably should have made that clear in the description.

[The Bee]

My first coin purchase was a George II 1757 Halfpenny bought on a Saturday morning for 50p from an antique stall set up in what was then our local reference library

... unfortunately there are no official 1757 Halfpennies . I still have it and a quite a few other contemporary counterfeits or contemporary forgeries from albums.

You might have seen the following for sale on ebay

It is a George III Halfpenny dated I think 1775 (its very difficult to read) struck over a Palmers Stagecoach token which would date to around 1797 

SCARCE George III Evasion Half Penny Overstruck on Palmers Mail Coach Token | eBay

Very Best Regards

Richard

 

 

[Peckris 2]

On 9/15/2024 at 7:35 AM, SilverAge3 said:

I'm not very familiar with ½d, especially from this era, does this one look really off, or am i mistaken?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/235650100917

Yes, that's not genuine though it doesn't look like a modern fake - possibly what the Americans call an "evasion", i.e. counterfeited in the 18th century?

[copper123]

On 9/15/2024 at 7:35 AM, SilverAge3 said:

I'm not very familiar with ½d, especially from this era, does this one look really off, or am i mistaken?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/235650100917

A easy contemp fake worth about $100.00

[The Bee]

Hope you enjoy this one, I had to smile when I found it a couple of months ago. Just look at that eyebrow !

It now resides with the rest of my George III Half Pennies  

Very Best Regards

Richard

[SilverAge3]

I'd get some nonregals, but as Paddy said, not for $575, and hope a proclaimed expert selling it would divulge it as such.

 

I messaged the seller. See what they do. Many of them ignore me. Which always detracts me from other lots of theirs even more, even if several looked promising.

Edited September 17, 2024 by SilverAge3

[SilverAge3]

8 hours ago, The Bee said:

Hope you enjoy this one, I had to smile when I found it a couple of months ago. Just look at that eyebrow !

It now resides with the rest of my George III Half Pennies  

Very Best Regards

Richard

Look at Britannia's stick arm!. This isn't of the simian type, is it?

[The Bee]

Hi SilverAge3,

I think it probably is a simian type (similar to - but in much better condition than my 1757 Halfpenny - which is more typical) a clear stick like arm

It almost looks as if someone has stuck a cutlass into poor Britannia and then walked off and her foot is amazingly small as well !

Assuming it was made in the UK, being a fairly obvious and crude counterfeit, it might not have been long before the counterfeiters were rounded up and transported

Very Best Regards

 

[Paddy]

I got taken to task on another forum a few years back on the distinction between "Contemporary counterfeit" and "evasion".

The Contemporary Counterfeits generally closely resemble the Regal issues, though more crudely made. They are noticeably underweight, as that is where the criminals made their margin, and often created ready-worn to discourage close examination.

Evasions deliberately change the design. Sometimes by a little such as an invalid date, or altered legends, sometimes by a lot with a different portrait. The argument in court would be: "It is clearly not intended to deceive - the details are all wrong. If the recipient was foolish enough to accept it as a halfpenny, that is their mistake."

So most of the examples posted recently in this thread, including that linked to on Ebay, would be Contemporary Counterfeits, not Evasions. @The Bee's with an invalid date drifts into the Evasion area.

Evasions are far more collectable, particularly by the Americans as many were produced in the colonies around the time of the American Revolution.

[copper123]

I find the lips rarther weird on these

[Coinery]

51 minutes ago, copper123 said:

I find the lips rarther weird on these

Nothing wrong with a bit of lippy  

[The Bee]

John Jervis [later Earl St Vincent]

I found this earlier today. I bought another old album at auction and removed most of the coins last night , all worn , Charles II & George I Farthings , George II and III halfpennies etc.

Anyway I had a few minutes this morning - didn't read the legend, superficially the obverse looked similar to some my George II counterfeit types , but clearly it isn't

"Glorious Jervis" on the Obverse with a very worn bust presumably John Jervis, and Hira Rosa. on the Reverse over a Harp.

Tried to find it on Numista (along with the George III Simian above) to add to my "collection" but couldn't locate it 

Any thoughts ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

7 hours ago, The Bee said:

John Jervis [later Earl St Vincent]

I found this earlier today. I bought another old album at auction and removed most of the coins last night , all worn , Charles II & George I Farthings , George II and III halfpennies etc.

Anyway I had a few minutes this morning - didn't read the legend, superficially the obverse looked similar to some my George II counterfeit types , but clearly it isn't

"Glorious Jervis" on the Obverse with a very worn bust presumably John Jervis, and Hira Rosa. on the Reverse over a Harp.

Tried to find it on Numista (along with the George III Simian above) to add to my "collection" but couldn't locate it 

Any thoughts ?

 

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but possibly an Irish Evasion copper

[Paddy]

Yes - it is in the Withers list of Evasions (not a contemporary counterfeit) as W276. Only difference is that lists it as "GLORIOVS" whereas this one is "GLORIOUS".

Value in Fine given as £20. Nice find!

 

[The Bee]

Many thanks Paddy - it's great to know what it is !

Sounds like I will need to try to acquire a copy of Wither's list of Evasions along with literature (with decent pictures !) on contemporary counterfeits, as I'm likely to run into other examples (based on my so far 5 and a bit months of collecting). I did wonder if it appeared in  "A Journey through the Monkalokian rain forests in search of the Spiney Fubbaduck. (Evasions)" which I believe also covers evasion coins.

Best Regards

 

[Paddy]

36 minutes ago, The Bee said:

Many thanks Paddy - it's great to know what it is !

Sounds like I will need to try to acquire a copy of Wither's list of Evasions along with literature (with decent pictures !) on contemporary counterfeits, as I'm likely to run into other examples (based on my so far 5 and a bit months of collecting). I did wonder if it appeared in  "A Journey through the Monkalokian rain forests in search of the Spiney Fubbaduck. (Evasions)" which I believe also covers evasion coins.

Best Regards

 

That sounds like a fascinating book!

The Withers list of evasions is part of "The Token Book" (volume 1) by Paul and Bente R Withers published by Galata in 2010. When I last went looking for a copy of this for a friend I found it difficult and expensive to buy - I hope you have better luck.

The book also covers 17th, 18th and early 19th century tokens very well - not completely comprehensive but enough to cover most needs.

 

[will1976]

The Token Book volume one had a re print in 2022 and is available on the Galata website. Priced £65

[The Bee]

Many thanks for the advice, I've ordered a copy of the Token Book !

Very Best Regards

Richard

[Paddy]

Wow! That has hiked a bit! It was £25 when it came out in 2010, but second hand prices quickly jumped to around the £65 mark, so I guess they felt there was the demand to justify it.

[will1976]

The Token book 3 is double that, I've been toying with buying it but I don't think the amount I'd use it would justify the cost