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[secret santa]

I reported this listing to Ebay today - it's an obvious replica:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325985059920?hash=item4be6394450:g:EHcAAOSwp91ltkcq&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0AaRk5xddPBH27qigZUEyIop%2F5aKdToWXukNQwqQ0lLkgbH4OTBEYJHeXHERTqxPpmlcWUb%2F%2FcuOe1KATXNU5H5CNFBMrLHzryB8hUk8QaYAvhSiKKJmdWdlrIXa3ec5ihlO3Te3EquK8ZkkZmpKq4npCftNxc6s01sSHuHKqGBqPgAc5JTy4vVwkAogn0yNRGL6mvklppjN%2Firp0GOnn%2F%2B4KTwzFe3B4KbGSXVm9jghyuzQ5lZYnK4%2Fe9%2F5%2B8L1JigBasGKsM%2B1EZPrrgHh0jg%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6SBpJWqYw

And here's their reply:

What happened:
We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence.

So that's alright then.

[Paddy]

Now sold for £55, so someone has been taken in.

 

[copper123]

20 hours ago, secret santa said:

I reported this listing to Ebay today - it's an obvious replica:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325985059920?hash=item4be6394450:g:EHcAAOSwp91ltkcq&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0AaRk5xddPBH27qigZUEyIop%2F5aKdToWXukNQwqQ0lLkgbH4OTBEYJHeXHERTqxPpmlcWUb%2F%2FcuOe1KATXNU5H5CNFBMrLHzryB8hUk8QaYAvhSiKKJmdWdlrIXa3ec5ihlO3Te3EquK8ZkkZmpKq4npCftNxc6s01sSHuHKqGBqPgAc5JTy4vVwkAogn0yNRGL6mvklppjN%2Firp0GOnn%2F%2B4KTwzFe3B4KbGSXVm9jghyuzQ5lZYnK4%2Fe9%2F5%2B8L1JigBasGKsM%2B1EZPrrgHh0jg%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6SBpJWqYw

And here's their reply:

What happened:
We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence.

So that's alright then.

Or artificial non intelligence

[copper123]

On 1/12/2024 at 5:45 PM, will1976 said:

Not a worst offering but the description made me laugh 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305351932516?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xf8Ge12iRhS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=8C3Ke2o8R1i&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY">link 

Good times will come -then we don't have to eat dead cats

[Peckris 2]

2 hours ago, copper123 said:

Good times will come -then we don't have to eat dead cats

wonder if the buyer has bounced it yet?

[secret santa]

Further to my previous post, they are now making replica coins in an "aged" condition and they are appearing on Ebay in increasing numbers. The fake obverses all have 180 border beads/teeth whereas the genuine coins have 175.

[secret santa]

And this guy is making a lot of money selling them:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/196217830331?hash=item2daf7e7bbb:g:pKMAAOSw~0xluNZ4&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0EmSRXm4oigGHs2VZdI8DrArm11xpKYjXu%2FYzGhQyoD%2FcqA54GbMUK7kXeAC1wewqAWkyMxasw9K4rQiWyxLcTK7uRyW8bebzI%2F8ERyrL9y9ZyDx%2FgX0mJf7jVRwvemuvgrufTmT%2BF%2BRoW8mVt2OTs5TJEMY5kCbSfk18K89jQ7ppYJcDb2XUKKZd8VBwPji3zEP1R06H6ttSSeAL0XV8x1Becgl8cDuC9O1bmk%2FXqVp8%2F5gTPFpFpPs4NrjWiGSO8v97UwK766aNDo2tfDm52s%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4b8wsmrYw

[blakeyboy]

2 hours ago, secret santa said:

And this guy is making a lot of money selling them:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/196217830331?hash=item2daf7e7bbb:g:pKMAAOSw~0xluNZ4&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0EmSRXm4oigGHs2VZdI8DrArm11xpKYjXu%2FYzGhQyoD%2FcqA54GbMUK7kXeAC1wewqAWkyMxasw9K4rQiWyxLcTK7uRyW8bebzI%2F8ERyrL9y9ZyDx%2FgX0mJf7jVRwvemuvgrufTmT%2BF%2BRoW8mVt2OTs5TJEMY5kCbSfk18K89jQ7ppYJcDb2XUKKZd8VBwPji3zEP1R06H6ttSSeAL0XV8x1Becgl8cDuC9O1bmk%2FXqVp8%2F5gTPFpFpPs4NrjWiGSO8v97UwK766aNDo2tfDm52s%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4b8wsmrYw

This 1849 would fool me- how can you tell is a wrong 'un?

[secret santa]

The fake/replica coins have quite a deep "scar" in the queen's hair that still shows in worn coins and is not present in genuine coins:

 

[secret santa]

It's carried over from the "uncirculated" ones.

And absent on a genuine coin

Edited February 2, 2024 by secret santa
addition

[Peckris 2]

7 hours ago, secret santa said:

The fake/replica coins have quite a deep "scar" in the queen's hair that still shows in worn coins and is not present in genuine coins:

 

It also just "looks" wrong, on an intuitive level.

[secret santa]

Yes, I agree but that 1849 fake just sold for £232 !!!

[Peckris 2]

18 hours ago, secret santa said:

Yes, I agree but that 1849 fake just sold for £232 !!!

I know! Gobsmacked is an understatement of how I feel..

[secret santa]

I'm furious as I've been messaging the seller telling him that many of his coins are fakes but he's just telling me to stop harassing him. I hope the buyers can tell the difference but I suspect that they're not experts.

[alfnail]

Buyers are clearly not recognising them Richard, I reckon this guy has made about £2000 in the last month, loads of co(I)ns. All of the crap he splurts out in some of his descriptions really 'take the biscuit'..... "private collection" etc....... unbelievable!!! 😱

[PWA 1967]

I have done a post on one of the facebook groups ,one of the members is now employed by eBay to help stop this with coin sales.

I know he has a hard time looking at pictures of fakes ,1933 pennies ,coins of all different denominations  etc , but hopefully he will be able to take some action.

I will share your pictures if asked Richard ,hope thats ok.

Edited February 4, 2024 by PWA 1967

[secret santa]

Please do, Pete. We need to stop this.

I'm going to put a new page on my varieties website to illustrate these fakes.

[Paddy]

I have put a post on the coin community forum with a couple of example pictures. It seems to me that some of our American cousins are more likely to be taken in by these.

 

[secret santa]

7 hours ago, secret santa said:

I'm going to put a new page on my varieties website to illustrate these fakes.

I've started this now and would welcome any comments/suggestions

[jelida]

Not necessarily a worst offering, just mis-described by NGC and the vendor has followed suit.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126326106682?itmmeta=01HPP1PAKM29E6B28M1EVHGG5E&hash=item1d699f6a3a:g:NV4AAOSw2tZlxS33&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAAsLKd0l82XvnuaGrzJO%2FHcJBV3x52qzjv7EFUyGtuDfrY3BiF%2BgCLs%2F0oAPx%2Fn0SCC3RYgwRYFrRUDPMG%2FjfGZzu2ShMHdF58OPVYNlD%2BPndD4YGTqM7lC1YVglfmlKPDqzbdsYoAG6L1bd3CV68Ofczf280EJOyzDBDpNBXB5YeOESC2tfazyh2oR4M4VNnnR8bnBs8D5P1Ga873l60L2fb0i9cBE9XtVSCS1gVpihmJ|tkp%3ABk9SR_6p2cG1Yw

I have messaged him might be worth others doing so too.

Jerry

[Martinminerva]

On 2/2/2024 at 12:29 PM, blakeyboy said:

This 1849 would fool me- how can you tell is a wrong 'un?

The date digits are not quite in the correct font. True for all of these copies (probably to do with how the dies have been CAD generated, I guess, as these are not pressure casts from genuine coins, thus the discrepancies with border beads and bust details). Worth adding that info to your page, Richard??

[secret santa]

6 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

The date digits are not quite in the correct font.

Thanks Martin - I'll take a detailed look at all the replica dates and add that information.

[Rob]

Not necessarily a worst offering, just mis-described by NGC and the vendor has followed suit.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126326106682?itmmeta=01HPP1PAKM29E6B28M1EVHGG5E&hash=item1d699f6a3a:g:NV4AAOSw2tZlxS33&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAAsLKd0l82XvnuaGrzJO%2FHcJBV3x52qzjv7EFUyGtuDfrY3BiF%2BgCLs%2F0oAPx%2Fn0SCC3RYgwRYFrRUDPMG%2FjfGZzu2ShMHdF58OPVYNlD%2BPndD4YGTqM7lC1YVglfmlKPDqzbdsYoAG6L1bd3CV68Ofczf280EJOyzDBDpNBXB5YeOESC2tfazyh2oR4M4VNnnR8bnBs8D5P1Ga873l60L2fb0i9cBE9XtVSCS1gVpihmJ|tkp%3ABk9SR_6p2cG1Yw

I have messaged him might be worth others doing so too.

 

Makes the blurb with the listing pretty redundant. I wonder what the real numbers are? Bet there are errors both ways with a few mules thrown in to cover bases.

Full sharp UNC details and fully Satiny Lustrous. Very scarce "Beaded Border" variety and of the only 26 known by the major grading services only 1 graded higher!!!

Edited February 15, 2024 by Rob

[Paddy]

I messaged him too and have just had a reply acknowledging the error and saying he was cancelling the listing.

I see it has now been ended - fair does.

[jelida]

1 hour ago, Paddy said:

I messaged him too and have just had a reply acknowledging the error and saying he was cancelling the listing.

I see it has now been ended - fair does.

Likewise, so job done. He did say it didn’t look like a beaded to him either; perhaps a little more research would have been in order, but his response is fair and honest;  I dare say we all make mistakes. 😮

Jerry