copper123

A proof will cost a pretty penny , looks like GEF to me obverse maybe a little marked but cannot see properly from that scan not big enough

WAKE UP COLIN!

That coin itself does not look like a hammered coin it really is to good , hammered coins always are never perfect by definition , its too round and well centred

MMMMMmmmmmmmdrools at that OH shilling!

I disagee the widow head shilling is a fine coin!! Only a personal opinion though

I think 1886 is easy to find - no surprise really. Coins in GEF + are seriously rare esp for the early dates Two shillings was a serious amount of money in victorian times and though a few hoards have been found the surply of these coins in good grade is seriously limited , you will need deep pockets to get even ten or fifteen coins , never mind the full sel. the 1849 godless florin is a good start though there are plenty around in higher grades

GEF a very acceptable coin

EF/ Aunc from me

Not as easy as you might think but it can be done with a lot of looking - I whould say that you have to live in either London birmingham or yorkshire and be a regular in the coin fairs . Helps if you have a good eye as well .

At one time 1865/3 was thought to exist as well but I have never been convinced with any coin i have seen - u ever seen any likely canidates colin?

look s like a fake to me

Oh please , these coins fetch £1 or £2 on ebay are you really that interested in a poorly struck coin why not go for a 1918 penny at least it has a bit of age to it

at a quick look obverse nvf reverse gvf

Coin is Ef / A unc loads and loads of marks on the obverse leave the coin well off unc or even a/unc

It must be over a number of years as the profit stated in anual report 14-15 is around 11 million . this includes and old coins melted and turned in to new £35 million does not just dissapear into thin air (unless your name is george osbourn)

oh its over a number of years not just 2014-15 then

I doubt very much the whole profit from coin operations in 2014/15 was any more than is included in the anual report at around 11 million pounds , remember this includes all its other interests as well such as melting down coins and produceing new ones with the old (very heavy on energy use though). To be honest the royal mint is actually not a very profitable company and does not "make a mint " like most people think

It is really easy to sort steel and copper and bronze 1p and 2p pieces all you need is a thing called a magnet.

As for the above statement that the royal mint asked for the undated coins back , I consider this a load of rubbish the mistake was first noted in numismatic circles about eight months before all hell broke loose with the london mint office announcment to the public . It is thefore likely that the royal mint knew about the mistake and accepted the idea the coins were in circulation and worth face value There is not a cat in hells chance that any undated 20p coins would have sat in a bank vault for that length of time - they all ended up in circulation - I myself found four or five before the london mint office announcment , i only ever found one more in circulation afterwards. I would be interested in a copy of this bank letter but I strongly believe it does not exist as, the cat was allready out of the bag , horse had already bolted, a good eight months beforehand

yep

I have never heard of any country "withdrawing" coins if they get out it is just accepted and they just become collectors items , that goes for the olympics 50p as well - I think they were all issued in the £2.99 cardboard sets from the mint .

At a quick guess I would say there were around 80,000 undated 20p coins that entered circulation They were NOT withdrawn from circulation by the royal mint but by people who found them in their pockets, putting them on ebay . How do you think the royal mint would withdraw them anyway? The only way would be to get banks to take them out of circulation and as there are about 20 000 000,000 of them in circulation it would cost a fortune to sort every mint bag in every bank , it would also have to be done on an arranged day , the man hours involved would be massive Do you seriously think the royal mint would do this - no chance - they even said in a press statement that they were "worth face value" no more.(folks on ebay thought differently) My brother worked for a bank at the time and he never heard of this recall.

Nutsabout coins is right from what I have heard . I did read the artical in their numismatic society about the undated 20p and its wrong , in fact there are three different 2008 20p coins , there is the early design 2008 20p, the mule, and the ordinary dated one

Really for the coins rarity it is overpriced for instance there are probably less TB-RB 1860 mule farthings hanging around than these 2p coins . When do you ever really hear of a decimal coin collector? Hardly ever IMO. At least there are plenty farthing collectors around . Hyped for its rarity IMO

That farthing forgery keeps on being relisted - looks like for once the fake pedlers are finding less and less suckers want to buy their goods