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[terrysoldpennies]

17 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

Thats just been cleaned as can be seen under the arm and to the right of the trident, with all the lines confirming it.

I must say that I agree and disagree with you Pete,   You must remember you gave me a beautiful wide date 1898 penny , well it has the appearance of a cameo as on close inspection the effigy of the King and of Britannia are matt finished , but the field is semi polished but also has some scratch marks .  These scratches run in absolutely straight lines up to the effigy , but not onto them , indicating they were made to the surface of the die or onto the planchet in the Mint before being pressed .   Pic. below.   In the case of Kipsters coin , also an exactly the same 1898 wide date penny  with the effigies appearing to be Matt finished with the field semi polished and with scratches running in absolutely straight lines right up to and straight through the legend with no curving as it crosses the raised up letters, as it would do if you scratched across a coin.    On Kipsters penny though it does look as though it my have been lightly polished around Britannia's arm . ?

[Martinminerva]

1 hour ago, terrysoldpennies said:

also an exactly the same 1898 wide date penny

Not convinced they are from the same dies - Terry, your one's final 8 looks to be noticeably higher than Kipster's. Both jolly nice cons, though!

 

[Coys55]

On 10/24/2024 at 6:50 PM, copper123 said:

TBH most buns had disappeared by 1968 - 69 probably many more were around in the mid sixties but then they were in terrible grade I  bought a mint bag weighing quite a few kilos from e ebay about a year back and found 2 1869 coins which corroborates the sellers story that they were unsearched 

I’d have been 12 in 1967 and 11 or 12 sounds about the age I’d have been searching. I used to stay at my nan’s in Seven Kings in the summer holidays and get bags from the bank nearly every day, mainly pennies, halfpennies and threepences, but sometimes sixpences or shillings Never found a 1918 or 1919KN, 1869, 1950, 1951 or 1953 penny or 1946, 1949, 1950 or 1951 threepence. Lots of pre-1947 silver, but hardly and pre-1920  

I still have the albums. Mostly worn rubbish, but pretty nostalgic. 

[terrysoldpennies]

1 hour ago, Martinminerva said:

Not convinced they are from the same dies - Terry, your one's final 8 looks to be noticeably higher than Kipster's. Both jolly nice cons, though!

 

You could be right Martin , but the light when taking pictures can play some funny tricks . One thing is common to both coins though, is the tooth to the right side of the 8 has been cut on an angle to accommodate the positioning of the 8 over the tooth .

[PWA 1967]

5 hours ago, terrysoldpennies said:

I must say that I agree and disagree with you Pete,   You must remember you gave me a beautiful wide date 1898 penny , well it has the appearance of a cameo as on close inspection the effigy of the King and of Britannia are matt finished , but the field is semi polished but also has some scratch marks .  These scratches run in absolutely straight lines up to the effigy , but not onto them , indicating they were made to the surface of the die or onto the planchet in the Mint before being pressed .   Pic. below.   In the case of Kipsters coin , also an exactly the same 1898 wide date penny  with the effigies appearing to be Matt finished with the field semi polished and with scratches running in absolutely straight lines right up to and straight through the legend with no curving as it crosses the raised up letters, as it would do if you scratched across a coin.    On Kipsters penny though it does look as though it my have been lightly polished around Britannia's arm . ?

Yes i remember the coin Terry ,its only an opinion and that one i have seen in hand and was cleaned as i said when i posted it you, just the same as the one posted yesterday was.

Edited October 27, 2024 by PWA 1967

[terrysoldpennies]

Ah well Pete we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.  Below is a 1953 Cameo I gave to Richard , and as you can see it has Minute scratches across the field , but none of them cross onto the queens effigy which is clearly frosted . it is the same on the 1898  penny, and it would be impossible to polish the field alone without running over onto the raised surfaces .

[PWA 1967]

Yes we will disagree, i was happy to post it you free of charge and you were happy to receive it, perfect 👍.

Edited October 28, 2024 by PWA 1967

[SilverAge3]

On 10/26/2024 at 11:50 AM, Kipster said:

Thanks both. 

Whilst on the subject of 1898's, I bought this other one at auction last year, described as 'prooflike'. The fields look quite hairlined, particularly when you look at the outline of Victoria on the reverse, similarly on the obverse. They all look to run in the same direction and not over the legends/bust, so could this possibly be just die polishing or something else? They are crystal clear with an illluminated loupe, but very hard to capture on a mobile.

 

 

A video would really help differentiate die polish vs wiped coin. Wiped, the lustre would be broken. I have seen coins with very extreme die polish lines, and yeah, it often really only goes over fields (raised on die). Perhaps a well-lit YouTube vid of it being slowly rotated would help, or just make one for yourself (obv site has limitations of file size) . Also try a flashlight at various angles. 

[jelida]

Lines from polishing the working die would be raised, but from polishing the planchet would be incuse.

Jerry

[SilverAge3]

It does look as if maybe I see wiping over Britannia's arm, but not totally certain. And Jerry's 100% correct. Even making a video and still shots for yourself at various angles and angles of flashlight can help.

[blakeyboy]

11 hours ago, jelida said:

Lines from polishing the working die would be raised, but from polishing the planchet would be incuse.

Jerry

'Polishing the Planchet' is an album by XTC....

[oldcopper]

On 10/22/2024 at 3:25 AM, PWA 1967 said:

Incredible! - can't wait to see the catalogue, though presumably online only as have been the last few SR auctions. Never seen a dreadnought for sale before .

I don't think the 1882 no H is the finest, and giving it a teaser estimate of 2-3K means SR don't either. I'm sure Gerald Jackson had a lustrous one back in Spink USA  2014 which went for $18K from memory, perhaps Noble's mint state specimen as mentioned by Peck in his 1967 BNS Addendum. 

[secret santa]

£15,150.

[oldcopper]

A LOT better!

[VickySilver]

Uggh, I bid on that one and don 't know where it ended up but figured out the opposition was willing to go much higher and so dropped out at the end. I did end up with Gerald's 1869 that was a beauty....

[secret santa]

Certainly was.

[copper123]

Date looks a little  lightly struck otherwise AAA+

[secret santa]

Bernie's collection is now available as 2 PDFs - superb pictures.

https://www.sovr.co.uk/

[Martinminerva]

I can view the catalogue lot by lot, but can't see where one downloads the two PDFs you refer to. Can you post a precise link for a numpty like me ?!

[secret santa]

27 minutes ago, Martinminerva said:

Can you post a precise link for a numpty like me ?!

Martin, if you click on the link and bring up the PDF, there should be an icon somewhere on the top right like a downward arrow above above a "tray" - if you click on this it will download the PDF to a folder that you nominate.

[SilverAge3]

I also am not seeing anything like a download option. 

Edited November 1, 2024 by SilverAge3

[secret santa]

This may work

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0625/5365/3473/files/Auction_XVI_-_Special_Feature_Penny_Collection_Part_I.pdf?v=1730480279

[SilverAge3]

Yes Sir, thanks, Richard

[Martinminerva]

Thanks indeed, Richard - that works great (and for part two, just change I for II in the url  !!)

[blakeyboy]

Thanks!

I don't see why you would bury such a collection inside a General Sale!

Lot 207, the last on the page, makes no sense as regards description and the two ( different) coins pictured.

The F69 estimate seems very low too!