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[secret santa]

As struck by what - lightning ?

[DrLarry]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

As struck by what - lightning ?

yes or a sledge hammer 

[DrLarry]

On 9/9/2022 at 7:46 PM, Sword said:

If items can be fakes, so can the bids.

that is very true there are some sellers on ebay I just won't buy from because of bid escalation by a friend in Manchester or Cumbria 

[DrLarry]

On 11/2/2022 at 1:58 PM, DrLarry said:

Beware of coins in PLASTIC TOMBS 

 

Sometimes you just can't  get the staff !!!  supposed to be a MULE ....you would think by now teeth and dots would have been known to them....correct me if I am wrong but it looks nothing like mine $1500if you want it 

I have listed this because it obviously is not a Mule and yet the NGC seem to have mislabelled it as beaded one side toothed the other ...sorry about any confusion it is listed on ebay 

[copper123]

On 11/3/2022 at 10:44 PM, DrLarry said:

I have listed this because it obviously is not a Mule and yet the NGC seem to have mislabelled it as beaded one side toothed the other ...sorry about any confusion it is listed on ebay 

And they get paid good money for mistakes like this ?

They should be in ten downing street

[1949threepence]

24 minutes ago, copper123 said:

And they get paid good money for mistakes like this ?

They should be in ten downing street

NGC are obviously taking the customer's word for it, without checking (or due diligence as they call it nowadays).  

[DrLarry]

13 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

NGC are obviously taking the customer's word for it, without checking (or due diligence as they call it nowadays).  

yes I do think this is how it happens.  The sad thing is the degree to which slab buyers depend on it as gospel.  

[PWA 1967]

Not on eBay ,but i nearly bought this one privately about 8 months ago ,seller only sent me a picture of the obverse.

Glad i checked 😀

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6133401-007/64/

 

 

[DrLarry]

44 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

Not on eBay ,but i nearly bought this one privately about 8 months ago ,seller only sent me a picture of the obverse.

Glad i checked 😀

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6133401-007/64/

 

 

someone there is obviously getting it wrong.  It is true that the teeth on the the two sides appear different so perhaps the confusion comes from not looking at enough beaded examples 

[Rob]

More like a children's book of anatomy required, with a particularly large section on asses and elbows.

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

 Remember the PCGS farthing mule debacle from about 15 years ago??! Rather than admit an error, they essentially created a new variety...

[copper123]

On 11/13/2022 at 12:04 PM, DrLarry said:

yes I do think this is how it happens.  The sad thing is the degree to which slab buyers depend on it as gospel.  

Time to give up collecting if you cannot buy a copy of peck or work out if a coin is a genuine mule or not.

[DrLarry]

4 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

 Remember the PCGS farthing mule debacle from about 15 years ago??! Rather than admit an error, they essentially created a new variety...

Maybe thats the answer....and lets face it there are no official records from the mint ....so perhaps we have just been spreading fake news 

[DrLarry]

39 minutes ago, copper123 said:

Time to give up collecting if you cannot buy a copy of peck or work out if a coin is a genuine mule or not.

A book is made of paper ....we are living in the age of PLASTIC 

[copper123]

22 hours ago, DrLarry said:

A book is made of paper ....we are living in the age of PLASTIC 

Try eating it !

[mick1271]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333770257742?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D243436%26meid%3Dfc92ead380d64b4b9f4be2239ae2020a%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D125611612675%26itm%3D333770257742%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuAspectsV202110NoVariantSeedKnnRecallV5ItemNrtInQuery&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A333770257742fc92ead380d64b4b9f4be2239ae2020a|enc%3AAQAHAAABMJE7%2BNyUclXdoFXnbx3NvlJX7YMqFr8NJCcyHQud2Z04j2uZxgnHXbb2ZalpwbGsJ4D%2FcbSkMz8IpnsCPJ7ydREm8lqmL0kHB523%2FFCl%2BP6D2ad5Empx%2FgOWdLWtT3Vn5QL7KrlqGr5xbsxh2mgt6K6mq5ApRt0WhfIQtmILxWluvsMY2yrIiUFMpDFclBhEB%2Bn37O2cyybs4M4Gz4lYja%2BiW8ZmS%2FI4EdT7js1ThcP8oNjX0DKbZZW8BF6%2BK9HpkuZR1wdTrmavOn4M8G6CGCFIiExq6NxZSOP5AMicNKxI%2F%2B3iaaAmAAWWF5Z%2BkaLy008TN5K6YV5%2BevmDrIGMDYK3aWNhzvAeOmq4t0QPg9uWQ%2B678v3nwC1Rf7jSJUPuGESfiT6p4ORlKdBMVKbdaeo%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675

 

couple of issues with this one lol

[jelida]

10 minutes ago, mick1271 said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333770257742?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D243436%26meid%3Dfc92ead380d64b4b9f4be2239ae2020a%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D125611612675%26itm%3D333770257742%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuAspectsV202110NoVariantSeedKnnRecallV5ItemNrtInQuery&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A333770257742fc92ead380d64b4b9f4be2239ae2020a|enc%3AAQAHAAABMJE7%2BNyUclXdoFXnbx3NvlJX7YMqFr8NJCcyHQud2Z04j2uZxgnHXbb2ZalpwbGsJ4D%2FcbSkMz8IpnsCPJ7ydREm8lqmL0kHB523%2FFCl%2BP6D2ad5Empx%2FgOWdLWtT3Vn5QL7KrlqGr5xbsxh2mgt6K6mq5ApRt0WhfIQtmILxWluvsMY2yrIiUFMpDFclBhEB%2Bn37O2cyybs4M4Gz4lYja%2BiW8ZmS%2FI4EdT7js1ThcP8oNjX0DKbZZW8BF6%2BK9HpkuZR1wdTrmavOn4M8G6CGCFIiExq6NxZSOP5AMicNKxI%2F%2B3iaaAmAAWWF5Z%2BkaLy008TN5K6YV5%2BevmDrIGMDYK3aWNhzvAeOmq4t0QPg9uWQ%2B678v3nwC1Rf7jSJUPuGESfiT6p4ORlKdBMVKbdaeo%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675

 

couple of issues with this one lol

Yes just a couple…wrong variety, wrong grade, wrong price and polished!

But at least this time it’s not the wrong 1909 penny!

I know someone here won’t be surprised to see this!

Jerry

[DrLarry]

1 hour ago, copper123 said:

Try eating it !

I am sure we all do hen we drink bottled water  (terrible stuff)  it accepted whilst it is our doing all the animals in the seas and oceans are getting their fill terrible creatures for the planet humans 

[HistoricCoinage]

Eric?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134380955867?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=YM6dfbniSHS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=G6uCbYI7QUO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[Peckris 2]

5 hours ago, HistoricCoinage said:

Eric?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134380955867?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=YM6dfbniSHS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=G6uCbYI7QUO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

there's an interesting (apparently) certificate authenticating the coin among the pictures. It COULD be genuine? If it is, then it could well fetch £100k or thereabouts. IF...

however, the problem is that a Viking king Eric in the north is not necessarily Bloodaxe - Eric was a common name.

[mick1271]

1 hour ago, Peckris 2 said:

there's an interesting (apparently) certificate authenticating the coin among the pictures. It COULD be genuine? If it is, then it could well fetch £100k or thereabouts. IF...

however, the problem is that a Viking king Eric in the north is not necessarily Bloodaxe - Eric was a common name.

The PAS form is for a different coin .Same type , but not the one being sold .

[hibernianscribe]

If genuine, it would be interesting to know what valuation was submitted and accepted by PAS since unless the finder was also lucky enough to be the landowner, they would have to 'buy-out' the landowner based on the PAS value in order to legally sell the coin. A good test of provenance would therefore be to see documentation to support that! Frank 

[jelida]

The PAS will not value a find, though ‘Treasure’ items are valued by the ‘Treasure Valuation Committee’ as part of the Treasure process, if found to be Treasure and a museum wishes to acquire. As a single find it would not qualify. But this coin does not appear to have been reported to the PAS, and I suspect that the landowner is unaware of its existence, if genuine. To my mind it is not an obvious fake, as most are, and indeed may be a die duplicate of the PAS one .

Jerry

[hibernianscribe]

I agree, PAS does not value the item. However a professional valuation is asked for by the FLO that is inserted in his/her notification to PAS. This also assists any museum in their decision whether to express an interest. Frank 

[HistoricCoinage]

To be clear, I do not believe it to be genuine...

PAS reports (although there's no record of this coin) are also awaiting validation, so many coins like these are submitted by local FLOs but then pending confirmation from numismatic specialists.