blakeyboy Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said: In addition to what @Rob said, the pennies I'm talking about look exactly as if bits of metal are stuck in them like chips in a biscuit. Not streakiness, but discrete little gold-coloured flecks (probably brass) that are embedded into the content of the penny, not simply on the surface like streaky lustre. Exactly- it's not a surface thing. If the strips from ( presumably) Heaton or Kings Norton were streaky, why were they not rejected instantly by the Mint? Did they relax QC because of the War Effort? I have several examples of pennies that look like the molten mix just wasn't stirred... Quote
Peckris 2 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, blakeyboy said: Exactly- it's not a surface thing. If the strips from ( presumably) Heaton or Kings Norton were streaky, why were they not rejected instantly by the Mint? Did they relax QC because of the War Effort? I have several examples of pennies that look like the molten mix just wasn't stirred... It's quite possible - the War resulted in some vastly reduced standards in die wear etc. Plus we shouldn't forget that because of inflation there was a vast increase in mintages, plus there was a shortage of manpower. The Mint had their hands more than full. Quote
Rob Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) see below Edited October 3, 2018 by Rob Quote
Rob Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, mrbadexample said: I've never seen anything like that, only the streaky ones. Here's a 1920 - both this and the 1913 above have lamination issues. It looks to me like a problem with the metal mix which is why I always thought this was the brass issue described. That's commendably horrible Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rob said: That's commendably horrible Now, now, I don't go around casting disparaging remarks about your coins. 1 2 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, mrbadexample said: Now, now, I don't go around casting disparaging remarks about your coins. Rob DID say "commendably".... Edited October 3, 2018 by Bronze & Copper Collector Quote
1949threepence Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 There was another thread on this very topic - streaky 1920 and 1921 pennies, about 5 years ago - here's the link Maybe an issue related to post war metal shortages. I have read, for example, that the 50% non silver of shillings dated 1920, was composed of old shell castings. Hence their slightly more grey appearance compared to the rest. I'd link to it, bit for the life of me, I can't remember the name of the guy who posted the info. He was an American - Ambrit or Exbrit, something like that. Name won't come to me at all. I'll know it as soon as I see it. Quote
RLC35 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 39 minutes ago, 1949threepence said: There was another thread on this very topic - streaky 1920 and 1921 pennies, about 5 years ago - here's the link Maybe an issue related to post war metal shortages. I have read, for example, that the 50% non silver of shillings dated 1920, was composed of old shell castings. Hence their slightly more grey appearance compared to the rest. I'd link to it, bit for the life of me, I can't remember the name of the guy who posted the info. He was an American - Ambrit or Exbrit, something like that. Name won't come to me at all. I'll know it as soon as I see it. Here it is Mike... http://wybrit.com/info/Myths.html 1 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, RLC35 said: Here it is Mike... http://wybrit.com/info/Myths.html Thanks a lot, Bob - that's the guy, although I can't find the bit where he mentioned the shell castings. Quote
Peckris 2 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 13 hours ago, 1949threepence said: There was another thread on this very topic - streaky 1920 and 1921 pennies, about 5 years ago - here's the link Maybe an issue related to post war metal shortages. I have read, for example, that the 50% non silver of shillings dated 1920, was composed of old shell castings. Hence their slightly more grey appearance compared to the rest. I'd link to it, bit for the life of me, I can't remember the name of the guy who posted the info. He was an American - Ambrit or Exbrit, something like that. Name won't come to me at all. I'll know it as soon as I see it. Sadly the pictures have gone to the Internet GRaveyard. Quote
Mr T Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 14 hours ago, 1949threepence said: Maybe an issue related to post war metal shortages. I have read, for example, that the 50% non silver of shillings dated 1920, was composed of old shell castings. Hence their slightly more grey appearance compared to the rest. I thought I read the greyer coins were due to manganese in the alloy (might have been in Davies?). Quote
1949threepence Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr T said: I thought I read the greyer coins were due to manganese in the alloy (might have been in Davies?). Anything is possible. We simply have no real way of knowing for sure nearly 100 years later. Quote
VickySilver Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 The BM has a huge run of alloy trials and patterns of the silver or silver-coloured 1920-26 era. I don't remember which alloys they actually had as it was some time ago that I saw these. Quote
Mr T Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 15 hours ago, VickySilver said: The BM has a huge run of alloy trials and patterns of the silver or silver-coloured 1920-26 era. I don't remember which alloys they actually had as it was some time ago that I saw these. In the museum itself? Quote
VickySilver Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 Yes, you have to make appointments for the coin room by recollection. 1 Quote
Michael-Roo Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 On 1 October 2018 at 7:34 PM, Michael-Roo said: Do you think he's now hoping to draw interest with a shill bid? Anyone viewing his item would see the page includes many examples of the same repro being offered much more cheaply. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123397155401?_trksid=p2471758.m4704 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123397155401?_trksid=p2471758.m4704 Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 Obviously it's a halfpenny, but excellent provenance: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Young-Victoria-1-Penny-1858-Bun-DEF/253919070956?hash=item3b1ec18aec:g:PNwAAOSwgEhbilJ2 Quote
Rob Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 At £30 BIN with best offer, it is at least reasonably priced. They may not know what it is, but appear to be realistic in their aspirations. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) Whenever i post they keep changing the listing...........Not doing it again 😊 Edited October 6, 2018 by PWA 1967 Quote
Sword Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 9 hours ago, mrbadexample said: Obviously it's a halfpenny, but excellent provenance: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Young-Victoria-1-Penny-1858-Bun-DEF/253919070956?hash=item3b1ec18aec:g:PNwAAOSwgEhbilJ2 "In 1858 this shinny new penny paid for a book of stamps that sent 1/2 a dozen love letter across the south of England. In 1914 it was given in change to a ticket aboard a ship and the spent straight away on a bag of liquorice that can. E found 1/2 eaten at the bottom of the Atlantic. Many years later is found by an old blind women and given to her grandson along with 100s of others to see if they were worth anything." Reads like a bad story written by a schoolkid for homework. Postage was expensive in 1858 and it cost a whole penny to buy just a single stamp. 1 Quote
Michael-Roo Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 12 hours ago, Michael-Roo said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123397155401?_trksid=p2471758.m4704 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123397155401?ul_noapp=true Quote
1949threepence Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Sword said: "In 1858 this shinny new penny paid for a book of stamps that sent 1/2 a dozen love letter across the south of England. In 1914 it was given in change to a ticket aboard a ship and the spent straight away on a bag of liquorice that can. E found 1/2 eaten at the bottom of the Atlantic. Many years later is found by an old blind women and given to her grandson along with 100s of others to see if they were worth anything." Reads like a bad story written by a schoolkid for homework. Postage was expensive in 1858 and it cost a whole penny to buy just a single stamp. It does that - and why are so many people deliberately mixing up the words "woman" and "women" these days? Quote
Rob Posted October 6, 2018 Posted October 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, 1949threepence said: It does that - and why are so many people deliberately mixing up the words "woman" and "women" these days? Because nobody corrects grammar or spelling in school unless it is specifically part of the lesson, i.e English or some other language Quote
Sword Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Michael-Roo said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123397155401?ul_noapp=true It's really surprising that he has managed to sell more than 3600 of these pennies. But I think the seller is being fair since he is only charging 99p including p+p. I guess most people don't care much about a quid. Edited October 7, 2018 by Sword Quote
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