Mr T Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 The wider date variants of OH pennies are scarce but not rare, fun to seek & find, but not worth that sort of premium in my viewAgreed. Quote
Nordle11 Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 The wider date variants of OH pennies are scarce but not rare, fun to seek & find, but not worth that sort of premium in my viewAgreed.Seconded. Also if you need to add drawings to show the variety then it can't be all that exciting to have to find either. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 In fairness to the seller it is scarce and i have never seen one in that good a grade.Although yes optimistic is the right word Quote
jelida Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 It is scarce, and I have not yet found one better than fine. I recently sorted a few kilos of Victorian pennies from my local auction, there were 29 1898 pennies, of which two were of this type, with the changed '8' font, and that approximates to what I've noted on the 'bay.I actually rather like this as a variety, they do look quite different in the hand (under a strong glass, of course, my eyes aren't that good!).Much better than date widths that vary fron die to dieJerry Quote
jelida Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 There was meant to be a smiley at the end of my last post, before you get too incandescent!Jerry⛏☠ Quote
davidrj Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 It is scarce, and I have not yet found one better than fine. I recently sorted a few kilos of Victorian pennies from my local auction, there were 29 1898 pennies, of which two were of this type, with the changed '8' font, and that approximates to what I've noted on the 'bay.I actually rather like this as a variety, they do look quite different in the hand (under a strong glass, of course, my eyes aren't that good!).Much better than date widths that vary fron die to dieJerryThe "normal" 8 over a bead (not listed by Gouby) appears to be scarcer Quote
Peter Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 These were produced (this one poorly) in the Far East.I would doubt the gold content. Quote
bhx7 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 What the hell is this..Peel back for chocolate!!! ? 2 Quote
PWA 1967 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 What the hell is this..Peel back for chocolate!!! I would sooner have a chocholate one before that rang tang 1 Quote
Peter Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Sovereigns were such a world wide standard...copies probably circulated as the real thing.Of course Predecimal.com didn't exist and the weight was approx correct. Quote
Rob Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 Sovereigns were such a world wide standard...copies probably circulated as the real thing.Of course Predecimal.com didn't exist and the weight was approx correct.Yes, I've got a couple of Beirut Victorian gold pieces, 1887 £2 & £5. The most obvious indicator being the off centre die axis, though a deficit of 4 milling lines on the £5 also helps together with missing finer detail. The gold purity is rumoured to be 0.89-0.895, but I haven't had this checked. Quote
Mr T Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Yes, I've got a couple of Beirut Victorian gold pieces, 1887 £2 & £5. The most obvious indicator being the off centre die axis, though a deficit of 4 milling lines on the £5 also helps together with missing finer detail. The gold purity is rumoured to be 0.89-0.895, but I haven't had this checked.How did you count the edge milling? Quote
Rob Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Yes, I've got a couple of Beirut Victorian gold pieces, 1887 £2 & £5. The most obvious indicator being the off centre die axis, though a deficit of 4 milling lines on the £5 also helps together with missing finer detail. The gold purity is rumoured to be 0.89-0.895, but I haven't had this checked.How did you count the edge milling?Used sellotape to ensure it didn't move and then marked off every 10 Quote
Geordie582 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Yes, I've got a couple of Beirut Victorian gold pieces, 1887 £2 & £5. The most obvious indicator being the off centre die axis, though a deficit of 4 milling lines on the £5 also helps together with missing finer detail. The gold purity is rumoured to be 0.89-0.895, but I haven't had this checked.How did you count the edge milling?Used sellotape to ensure it didn't move and then marked off every 10Sellotape on a coin??? Quote
Rob Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Yes, I've got a couple of Beirut Victorian gold pieces, 1887 £2 & £5. The most obvious indicator being the off centre die axis, though a deficit of 4 milling lines on the £5 also helps together with missing finer detail. The gold purity is rumoured to be 0.89-0.895, but I haven't had this checked.How did you count the edge milling?Used sellotape to ensure it didn't move and then marked off every 10Sellotape on a coin???Well, it will never be worth more than bullion. It only touches the high points of the milling to provide friction and it was necessary to prove the point. Just looking at it and pronouncing a verdict to a seller is not good enough without providing some evidence. They just think you are trying to pull a fast one. I suppose I could have used a marker on the milling to count off every 10. Quote
jacinbox Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPER-RARE-ONCE-IN-A-LIFE-TIME-AUCTION-FOR-OFFERS-1860-PENNIES-RARER-GOLD-/301834919230?hash=item4646c35d3e:g:0OMAAOSwJcZWf-O3 A bargain! Quote
Nordle11 Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Ouch, ouch, ouch. Nearly every coin this seller is listing has been taped over Lucky most of them are just washers! Edited December 30, 2015 by Nordle11 Forgot the link 1 Quote
Geordie582 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Early-Hammered-Silver-Coin-LVN-DONIA-CIVIT-EFLBERHT-REX-/262216438360?hash=item3d0d515258:g:4EIAAOSwSdZWhCR9 Another "museum copy" masquerading as genuine? Quote
TomGoodheart Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 22 hours ago, Geordie582 said: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Early-Hammered-Silver-Coin-LVN-DONIA-CIVIT-EFLBERHT-REX-/262216438360?hash=item3d0d515258:g:4EIAAOSwSdZWhCR9 Another "museum copy" masquerading as genuine? Meh. It's not even a good enough copy for it to be an Ashmore. And yet, people have bid ... 1 Quote
Geordie582 Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 I see there are more appearing on fleabay. Next they'll be taking a rasp to the coins to simulate plough damage! Quote
jelida Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Another offering from Shelly; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1874H-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PENNY-FREENAN-69-OBV-6-REV-I-R16-RARER-THEN-GOLD-EF-/301840907471?hash=item46471ebccf:g:RWoAAOSwa-dWi-3V not F69 sadly; in fact if you look at the other listings, many are self-slabbed with gross over-grading , several mis-identified and all over-priced. Not a good advertisment. Jerry Quote
Nordle11 Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I took a punt on some coins from her, all of them had been cleaned and so inevitably returned, she did refund me in full including postage both ways but I think giving her a wide berth is wise. Quote
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