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Very true. But a decent EF example is now well over a thousand pounds. I don't particularly like that George IV portrait and so didn't want to pay so much. As for William IV, I would eventually settle for a halfcrown which is of the same design.

I have noticed that this Morgan Dollar in my collection has a few small scratches (hairlines) on it. Do we think it has been cleaned?

Thanks Paddy. Charles II 1667 and William III 1696.

A nice selection! What dates on the Charles II and William III?

These are the crowns in my collection. The George V is a Jubilee Crown.

Thanks for the help everyone. Apologies for the delay in response.

Some very nice collections here.

I usually turn them down when offered, because I have never looked for one for the collection, and they are way overpriced for what they are. I was offered a couple of cleaned examples 6 months ago, but declined on the grounds that I don't like cleaned coins when much better alternatives are available, and the questions of iffy ones, abused ones and the rest are a bit off-putting. Give me a florin any day. Only problem is, if I get a type example of everything else I will have to eat my words. Not looking forward to the expense when I can buy fish and chips for a few quid.

George IV crowns aren’t so very hard to find and are much cheaper than William IV (the hardest).

The 1897 dot penny, and the 1946 ONE' penny were given prominence in an early issue of Coin Monthly (beginning of 1968?), and are arguably the most collectable - ironically caused by their comparative lack of rarity therefore giving collectors a better chance to own one.

These are the best of my bunch, 1864 is probably the best example that I have, these as the rest I have were boot fair finds well over 30 years ago, pre computers internet day and age...... also It turns out 12 months have passed by it was 1 year today that I first joined www.predecimal.com/forum 👍🍻

As recommended by coin books at the time I bought a small bottle of benzene from a nearby chemists back in the late 70's to clean my lustrous bronze farthings. It was 25p (I still remember for some reason!) and they dispensed it from a bigger bottle at the back of the shop. Those were the days, it smelt lovely but it's now banned as a carcinogen, though it was a very commonly used solvent in industry etc 50 plus years ago, so most people seemed to have survived it.

I was fortunate enough to pick up mine before the prices went completely crazy:

I have now added this type to my rarest pennies site and would be grateful to see any other examples.

The numista entry does refer to them as NIFC so perhaps calling them patterns is too far. But an issue of 8000 means that the scruffy collectors like me don't see them much less own them! LOL! Just like pattern coins...

The Gothic crowns probably had limited circulation due to the fact that they were vastly outnumbered by the large issues of 1844 & 1845 crowns. The mint has always produced coins based on demand from the banks for circulating currency. There could be two reasons for the gothic crown. First it was a commemorative piece celebrating the tenth year of Victoria's reign, but also the question of decimal currency had raised its head again since the beginning of the decade. This could also have been a test the public opinion for the new design issue, which as it happened to be popular, was then adopted with the pattern florins further refining the choice of design. I refuse to believe the monetary committee worked in complete isolation to the thoughts of the public, even if everything had to be approved by the monarch. For most people the circulating currency is the face of the monarch, so there has to be some sop to public taste. Where would you prefer to live? In a monarchy that is ruled by someone who is a bit of a dog, but tolerable, or someone you could point to on the coins and say, she's beautiful. Most people will prefer the latter given the state of the country 20 years earlier with the excesses of George the Fourth still in recent memory.

Neil will be there from Baldwin Gary, if you wish to mail him before. There may be some i would purchase if any he (Baldwin) doesnt want.

It is a moot point whether the undecimo gothic crown is a pattern. Firstly 8000 were produced which is high for a pattern. In addition, it also gained legal tender status unlike non-adopted patterns. Hence, some did circulate as currency. If I have to take a position, I would call it a limited issue rather than a pattern. Wreath crowns are not generally considered patterns either.

My Ebay Listings As many of you are aware, I have been in the process of liquidating my collection on ebay. I still have many of the rarer dates and varieties remaining which you can check by clicking on the link to my items for sale page. My Ebay Listings There is one in particular that will not show worldwide inasmuch as it is priced too high for eBay global shipping. That coin is an 1862 Obverse 3 penny. There are 2 others that are not listed yet on ebay which are probably my 2 rarest dates. The 1877 F-90, and the 1922 F-192A. ( Global shipping has a cap of $2500, which is why several have been reduced to to $2495 although worth more). If anyone has any interest in any of the listings please make me an offer or contact me here. Everything is negotiable and I am receptive to, and will consider all fair and reasonable offers. Depending upon the weather (storms etc which usually occur during this time frame), I am considering taking all the rarer dates and varieties to the NYCINC being held next week (open to public 1/15 - 1/18) to see if I can sell them outright to a dealer (preferable) or possibly leave them for auction (not my first choice). If anyone knows of a dealer or collector who might have an interest in these coins and will be in attendance, please have them contact me. Thank you for reading this post. Gary My Ebay Listings

That's interesting to hear for the perspective. For the modern UK coins, it's generally only the £5 coins I find interesting. But even then, like you imply, I'm only interested occasional ones - last year's coat of arms, this year's Elizabeth centennial, perhaps the Angel in base metal. I imagine that they'd be hard to get rid of for a dealer.

Lovely! I have one in similar condition, the Copthorne example and now yours are the only other ones I have seen. Jerry

I had a very similar experience in about 2018. I spent best part of £1k on a huge collection of 50p, £1s and £2s with multiple duplicates. The scarcer pieces sold fairly easily - one Kew Gardens and a handful of Jemima Puddleducks, some of the £2 coins. The rest became a millstone around my neck and I ended up taking the bulk of them to the Post Office in 2023 at face value. Hence my advice above.

As a dealer I can safely say that if sold as a complete collection, you might get a small profit if taken as a whole but that would have to include the genuinely scarce pieces like the Kew Gardens 50p. The vast majority will go at face value if collected from circulation. I bought a complete collection of issued decimals in 2013 and still have most of the circulation pieces. Collecting them from circulation was no mean feat, but when everyone else can do the same, it eliminates much of a premium. Plus everyone wants coins with no marks if possible. One offs in sets sell for a premium, but not that many collect 1p, 2p, 5p 10p and 20ps, so you are left with profits coming from 50p, £1 and £2 coins. Nobody wants the £5 coins. If modern, most people buy year sets and get the job done in one go.

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1904 narrow date with 1 over tooth, Lucky enough to pick this one up in uncirculated condition Ex rare