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[The Bee]

Many thanks again Richard for confirming it was ja and if the photos are helpful, please do use them. It came with what I believe is an 1875 Gouby Lk (so normal penny variety for 1875) in the same condition.

Very Best Regards 

[martinross44]

Hi folks, I'm hoping for a few extra pairs of eyes in case I have a bit of confirmation bias going on. I believe this is a reverse F, but it is very worn! 

[jelida]

2 hours ago, The Bee said:

Hi Jerry,

It was described as "1874, older head, small date, Fr. 72, Gouby dies K/j, about UNC, much lustre." Which would be F72 

Here is the Obverse

I think that actually might be an F78, it has the narrower gap between the ribbons, the gap is wider on an F72. But one of the best that I’ve seen.

Do you agree Richard?

Jerry

[jelida]

50 minutes ago, martinross44 said:

Hi folks, I'm hoping for a few extra pairs of eyes in case I have a bit of confirmation bias going on. I believe this is a reverse F, but it is very worn! 

It could well be, though I am not sure that the rock to the lower left of the shield is present which would be diagnostic. Can you post both sides, these rare coins tend to have very few die pairings and digit spacing etc will help confirm the possibility?

Jerry

[Peckris 2]

1 hour ago, The Bee said:

Many thanks again Richard for confirming it was ja and if the photos are helpful, please do use them. It came with what I believe is an 1875 Gouby Lk (so normal penny variety for 1875) in the same condition.

Very Best Regards 

It’s very definitely Reverse ja, else it would be Reverse nein.

[martinross44]

29 minutes ago, jelida said:

It could well be, though I am not sure that the rock to the lower left of the shield is present which would be diagnostic. Can you post both sides, these rare coins tend to have very few die pairings and digit spacing etc will help confirm the possibility?

Jerry

Obverse is most definitely a Freeman 4. Coin is an 1861, so reverse options would be D, F and G. 99% sure its not a G. Unfortunately I think the area around the shield where a rock could be is just too far gone, hence the reliance on the domed lighthouse, thicker plume and number of teeth between the top of the lighthouse and bottom of the O

[terrysoldpennies]

1 hour ago, jelida said:

I think that actually might be an F78, it has the narrower gap between the ribbons, the gap is wider on an F72. But one of the best that I’ve seen.

Do you agree Richard?

Jerry

I'm not Richard but I agree . I think its an F78 

[secret santa]

14 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:

I think its an F78

Yup !

[jelida]

2 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

It’s very definitely Reverse ja, else it would be Reverse nein.

Clever, Chris, though it took me a few minutes………….😀

Jerry

[The Bee]

Many thanks to Jerry, Terry, and Richard, for confirming its F78 the ribbons are close together 

Anyway I am very pleased with it. If it had been identified as "ja" reverse then it would have been well out of my reach. Given the prices pennies go for it is probably the only "ja" I will own

Incidentally it was one of the lots sold very recently a part of the John Hill collection by Gorringes, who I've bought the odd newspaper from occasionally .. but this was the first time bidding with them on coins. 

(I'd originally aimed to try to upgrade either of my 1864 pennies !)

Very Best Regards 

 

[alfnail]

10 hours ago, jelida said:

I think that actually might be an F78, it has the narrower gap between the ribbons, the gap is wider on an F72. But one of the best that I’ve seen.

Do you agree Richard?

Jerry

That was my immediate thought too Jerry. I sold an F78 in similar grade to Mike Hopkins several years ago; still haven't seen any of the coins I passed to him come up for sale anywhere.....and his heirs never contacted me to confirm that his collection has been found.

[PWA 1967]

On 5/22/2025 at 4:26 PM, The Bee said:

Many thanks Richard for confirming, even with the website and "The British Bronze Penny", this is one that still confuses me.

It is a 1874 with the description " j " and I thought it might be a "ja" 

Very Best Regards 

Thats a really good example and good buy, Hat Off 😀👍.

[terrysoldpennies]

I thought I'd share a couple of rather nice rare finds .

Both the rare 1913 mules.      F175  below

      

    

[terrysoldpennies]

F176

 

[Paddy]

I saw the conversation under "Wanted" about 1865 and 1867 pennies, and decided to check mine. I don't think I need to upgrade any time soon.

The likely costs were a surprise to me. I have had these a long time and have no idea what I paid for them - I would appreciate some idea of current market value?

The 1865:

[Paddy]

... and the 1867. Shame about the gash on Britannia's leg, but otherwise pretty decent:

[blakeyboy]

On 5/25/2025 at 1:27 PM, terrysoldpennies said:

F176

 

Funny how the reverse has virtually no edge- I have a feeling that some of my 1909's are like that- what's the explanation?

Sorry if it's been discussed at length before, but I can't remember.....

 

Is it time for my walk now?

[Paddy]

11 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

Funny how the reverse has virtually no edge- I have a feeling that some of my 1909's are like that- what's the explanation?

Sorry if it's been discussed at length before, but I can't remember.....

 

Is it time for my walk now?

Yes, it is noticeable how much narrower the edge is. Checking back through mine, it seems to be the same for all the Reverse A (Freeman) GV pennies?

[terrysoldpennies]

10 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

Funny how the reverse has virtually no edge

Maybe that's why they changed from the F174 with It's uneven pressing between the two sides to the F177.  They were trying to eliminate the ghosting at this time , and its possibly premature ware affecting the reverse side on early types caused by the week low rim that brought about the change. ?

[martinross44]

1 hour ago, Paddy said:

... and the 1867. Shame about the gash on Britannia's leg, but otherwise pretty decent:

If it helps, there is a lovely 1866 on ebay via auction at the moment that will be ending soon. I think it will be popular and far too expensive for me! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326585667923

[The Bee]

This is my 1849 Farthing which I bought a while back (just arrived today). Its a new date and I realistically it completes my Queen Victoria date run for Farthings (Copper and Bronze).

Only upgrades and possibly varieties to add when I can spot them .. 

Also my "okay" 1867 Penny (I have far worse in my date run !) . Not intending to upgrade this one  

Very Best Regards

[copper123]

1849 is a tough year esp in nice grade there again so are 1844, 1851 ,1852 and 1859 funny enough even though the last only circulated for 9 years.

 

[The Bee]

41 minutes ago, copper123 said:

1849 is a tough year esp in nice grade there again so are 1844, 1851 ,1852 and 1859 funny enough even though the last only circulated for 9 years

Many thanks copper123. Its circulated and a bit worn, but I'm pleased with the 1849, as I am with 1844 (previously shared), 1851, and 1859, but my sole 1852 in the tray will need upgrading

I wondered if there is something under the 4 in 1849 ?

There is something sticking out under the foot of the 4, which should be blank I think.

Of less interest, I also spotted a repair to the A in GRATIA (A next to A) which someone has kindly pointed out with the ding !

Very Best Regards

[The Bee]

Last but not least (I think) another circulated 1905 Penny with the smaller 0. An upgrade on my previous circulated example !

 

[terrysoldpennies]

Sorry but I don't think that's the small 0 date type .

Top ones the small 0  F160

middle normal F160

bottom F161