More Pennies

[Bruce]

3 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

1826 penny inverted FAKE.

Thought i would share this just incase anyone sees one for sale and before they perhaps pay to much for one ,believing it to be genuine.

I could not tell looking at one ,no signs of anything to the outside edge or inner rim ,right weight ,size , looks genuine.

BUT i had two and found pictures of another ,they are all the same with the same bag marks etc and could easily be passed off as genuine if you are not able to compare with another.

Similar to the 1905 Half crowns that were done in the seventies and look real but all the same.

 

 

Thanks for sharing the info 

[copper123]

The thing about 1826 pennies is they are fairly common so you would not emagine its worth passing of forgeries as the real thing

[Rob]

This was discussed 10 or 15 years ago. Not only the 'circulation marks' match, but there are also small pits on the rim which are present in all cases. FYI the die axis is about 160 degrees and not 180.

A couple more examples apart from the one Pete posted

[PWA 1967]

On 6/4/2023 at 4:38 PM, copper123 said:

The thing about 1826 pennies is they are fairly common so you would not emagine its worth passing of forgeries as the real thing

Yes they are not common inverted though and thats why i assume they did them this way.

I believe if i had put this in auction the auctioneer would of listed it as genuine and would of sold for a premium 😀

[secret santa]

I was going to bid for the 1895 pattern (F777) at Noonan's today. A similar specimen sold for £3500 on Baldwin's list in 2011 but today it went for £10,880 !!!!!!!!!

Needless to say, I didn't buy it.

[oldcopper]

38 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I was going to bid for the 1895 pattern (F777) at Noonan's today. A similar specimen sold for £3500 on Baldwin's list in 2011 but today it went for £10,880 !!!!!!!!!

Needless to say, I didn't buy it.

£12,880 you mean! 

[1949threepence]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

I was going to bid for the 1895 pattern (F777) at Noonan's today. A similar specimen sold for £3500 on Baldwin's list in 2011 but today it went for £10,880 !!!!!!!!!

Needless to say, I didn't buy it.

 

44 minutes ago, oldcopper said:

£12,880 you mean! 

It went for £10k hammer, plus whatever juice was on top of that. The same specimen sold for £1900 hammer at the Laurie Bamford auction in 2006. 

now

2006

I didn't think it would go for quite as much as that to be honest. But it is vanishingly rare of course. R19.

[secret santa]

Yes, slip of the keyboard ! £12,880.

[PWA 1967]

Thought i would share this 1854 DOT , E of DEI ,as not seen another and really clear in hand.

[PWA 1967]

One i bought a few months ago ,however have hit a brick wall trying to attribute as dont know if its been struck with a foreign coin or a token.

The penny has been struck twice and due to the year may of been struck by Heaton ,which makes it harder to determin what the other coin or token is.

An advertising token has been suggested due to Co. being on the penny a few times but i really dont have a clue.

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by PWA 1967

[mick1271]

24 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

One i bought a few months ago ,however have hit a brick wall trying to attribute as dont know if its been struck with a foreign coin or a token.

The penny has been struck twice and due to the year may of been struck by Heaton ,which makes it harder to determin what the other coin or token is.

An advertising token has been suggested due to Co. being on the penny a few times but i really dont have a clue.

 

With Heaton buying the machinery from Soho mint after they went out of business, who knows what else they may have purchased . ex Soho coin blanks or unused stock could have been experimented on to see if it was usable .It widens the scope of possible host coins .

[Kipster]

3 hours ago, secret santa said:

I was going to bid for the 1895 pattern (F777) at Noonan's today. A similar specimen sold for £3500 on Baldwin's list in 2011 but today it went for £10,880 !!!!!!!!!

Needless to say, I didn't buy it.

I watched a lot of the auction today as I wasn't working, but missed the later Victorian stuff as I acquired what I was after earlier on and went out to get some ice creams. Priorities 🙂

That's quite an impressive figure in these times of belt tightening and all that.

[oldcopper]

15 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

 

It went for £10k hammer, plus whatever juice was on top of that. The same specimen sold for £1900 hammer at the Laurie Bamford auction in 2006. 

now

2006

I didn't think it would go for quite as much as that to be honest. But it is vanishingly rare of course. R19.

And....a broad sail veiled head 1894 pattern went for ~10K dollars (from memory) a few years ago at Stacks and Bowers, part of a fantastic bronze penny collection. London Coins had previously sold a nice one for £1600 hammer back in 2006. 

Which all means that if anyone wants to form a veiled head penny pattern collection (2 coins), they've missed the boat by about 15 years.

If anyone on here bought that 1894 pattern from LC, well done!

[1949threepence]

12 minutes ago, oldcopper said:

And....a broad sail veiled head 1894 pattern went for ~10K dollars (from memory) a few years ago at Stacks and Bowers, part of a fantastic bronze penny collection. London Coins had previously sold a nice one for £1600 hammer back in 2006. 

Which all means that if anyone wants to form a veiled head penny pattern collection (2 coins), they've missed the boat by about 15 years.

If anyone on here bought that 1894 pattern from LC, well done!

Either or both of those would be an absolutely fantastic addition to a serious collection. But they're becoming almost out of reach.

[1949threepence]

Quick question - got a blind spot and can never tell these two obverses apart. It's an 1860 reverse D. So the coin is either F10 or F13.

But is this obverse 2 or obverse 3? The letters in BRITT always look the same to me, and don't look out of alignment. 

Thanks in advance.

  

[mick1271]

3 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

Quick question - got a blind spot and can never tell these two obverses apart. It's an 1860 reverse D. So the coin is either F10 or F13.

But is this obverse 2 or obverse 3? The letters in BRITT always look the same to me, and don't look out of alignment. 

Thanks in advance.

  

Looks like Obv 2 . Bottom of the rose is cut off , and IT of BRITT tilted forward 

[1949threepence]

19 minutes ago, mick1271 said:

Looks like Obv 2 . Bottom of the rose is cut off , and IT of BRITT tilted forward 

OK, cheers Mick. Thanks for that.

[alfnail]

Obverse 2 Mike, 143 teeth, best way to be sure. 

 

[1949threepence]

2 hours ago, alfnail said:

Obverse 2 Mike, 143 teeth, best way to be sure. 

 

Thanks Ian - much appreciated.

I'm upgrading my F10 with one I've seen on a dealer's website - advertised as a F10, but wasn't 100% certain.

My existing one is only VF. 

 

[1949threepence]

Just bought a couple of upgrades from Asprey Coins, based in Havant. In doing so, I had a good long chat with the owner, Mark Horton, on Monday Evening. Easy to talk to and a real coin enthusiast. Anyway, we got round to talking about varieties, and he drew my attention to something - possibly a mini variety - which I've never come across before. Namely slight differences in the E of PENNY in 1900 pennies. Mark had observed that the lower bar of E in penny was straight in some examples, and slightly curved in others. I checked mine, which was curved.

Mark sent me an e mail with some illustrative pics. They're a bit big to use on here, so instead I started looking at 1900 penny examples on e bay, and outsorted a couple of examples.

Straight lower bar of E in PENNY

Slightly curved lower bar of E in PENNY

I've used the direct links as you can employ the zoom feature and see more easily. But he's right, there is a noticeable difference.

Thoughts?

Mark was very happy for me to raise the issue on here and use his name.

 

 

 

  

[DaveG38]

1 hour ago, 1949threepence said:

Just bought a couple of upgrades from Asprey Coins, based in Havant. In doing so, I had a good long chat with the owner, Mark Horton, on Monday Evening. Easy to talk to and a real coin enthusiast. Anyway, we got round to talking about varieties, and he drew my attention to something - possibly a mini variety - which I've never come across before. Namely slight differences in the E of PENNY in 1900 pennies. Mark had observed that the lower bar of E in penny was straight in some examples, and slightly curved in others. I checked mine, which was curved.

Mark sent me an e mail with some illustrative pics. They're a bit big to use on here, so instead I started looking at 1900 penny examples on e bay, and outsorted a couple of examples.

Straight lower bar of E in PENNY

Slightly curved lower bar of E in PENNY

I've used the direct links as you can employ the zoom feature and see more easily. But he's right, there is a noticeable difference.

Thoughts?

Mark was very happy for me to raise the issue on here and use his name.

 

 

 

  

Oh, bugger! Another change to the 20th Century bronze varieties book.

[blakeyboy]

it rather looks like the type of 'E' used is used for ONE and PENNY.....

[blakeyboy]

On 6/11/2023 at 4:49 PM, alfnail said:

Obverse 2 Mike, 143 teeth, best way to be sure. 

 

That makes my Mother-in-Law a Type 2 then....

[Peckris 2]

2 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

Just bought a couple of upgrades from Asprey Coins, based in Havant. In doing so, I had a good long chat with the owner, Mark Horton, on Monday Evening. Easy to talk to and a real coin enthusiast. Anyway, we got round to talking about varieties, and he drew my attention to something - possibly a mini variety - which I've never come across before. Namely slight differences in the E of PENNY in 1900 pennies. Mark had observed that the lower bar of E in penny was straight in some examples, and slightly curved in others. I checked mine, which was curved.

Mark sent me an e mail with some illustrative pics. They're a bit big to use on here, so instead I started looking at 1900 penny examples on e bay, and outsorted a couple of examples.

Straight lower bar of E in PENNY

Slightly curved lower bar of E in PENNY 

I'd want to see an UNC example of the straight bar to be absolutely sure - the curve might have been flattened out by wear.

[1949threepence]

50 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

I'd want to see an UNC example of the straight bar to be absolutely sure - the curve might have been flattened out by wear.

Haven't really got the motivation to search tonight, but a cursory glance at the one in Richard's collection shows (interestingly) that the lower bar E of PENNY is curved, whereas the lower bar E in ONE is, seemingly, straight.