Halfpenny ID check

[Zo Arms]

On 12/9/2021 at 3:46 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

That looks like an F-322a.

Uneven berries...

See attached image

Thanks for the confirmation. I would like to say that I spotted it myself but I was pointed in the right direction by a forum member, to whom I owe many thanks.

I was going to suggest that it may be greedy for you to have 2 examples, when this one popped it's head up.

Neither as good looking as yours but another to the known list?

[Zo Arms]

Evening All.

I'm having trouble with this one. Can't make up my mind whether G or I. Dracott's  N pointings aren't helping. Neither are London coins photos of 310, 311.

If I had to commit, I'd say G.

Edited January 10, 2022 by Zo Arms
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[Martinminerva]

Definitely reverse G.

Easiest way to spot is the sea meeting rock level at the extreme left of the exergue. On Rev. G it rises up slightly and does not cross the linear circle. On Rev. I it is pretty much level and does cross the linear circle. See enlargements below...

Edited January 10, 2022 by Martinminerva

[Zo Arms]

35 minutes ago, Martinminerva said:

Definitely reverse G.

Easiest way to spot is the sea meeting rock level at the extreme left of the exergue. On Rev. G it rises up slightly and does not cross the linear circle. On Rev. I it is pretty much level and does cross the linear circle. See enlargements below...

Thanks Martin.

Very helpful photo of the sea crossing the circle. And an F style lighthouse too. Is the hair to shoulder detail the same as an F?

I've just rechecked the London coins photos and all bar 1 appear to have a G style sea detail. To my eyes anyway.

[Martinminerva]

I cannot easily make any judgements or spot any distinctive differences about the hair to shoulder for the two reverses - I'll leave that to you with two more photos, reverse G first, then I. The sea/rock line is the diagnostic for me. But you're right that reverse I is considerably rarer and quite an underestimated scarcity in my opinion.

Happy to help!

 

PS another diagnostic is that both arms of the H of Half point to spaces on Rev G and beads on Rev I...

Edited January 10, 2022 by Martinminerva

[Zo Arms]

I'd class that as F style hair. It's thicker and extends down slightly further, to cover more of her bra strap.😀

And I do appreciate a legend pointing. On most of my coins there seems to be very little Britannia left.

Edited January 10, 2022 by Zo Arms
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[secret santa]

Reverse G by number of teeth

[mrbadexample]

Trident shaft is noticeably thicker on G too.

[Zo Arms]

Really useful identifiers. Thank you all.

Here's a couple of maybe wishful thinking. 

1862. B over R.  And an 1860 HAIF.   Rev B, but paired with a 4, not a 2.

[Zo Arms]

[Zo Arms]

1860 rev 4.

[jelida]

From the photo, I would be happy with the B/R, the leg of the R shows both within and outside the lower loop of the B. I have the 1861 version (F282 variety). Well done!

Jerry

[secret santa]

1 hour ago, jelida said:

From the photo, I would be happy with the B/R, the leg of the R shows both within and outside the lower loop of the B. I have the 1861 version (F282 variety).

Could you post the pic or refer me to a link so that I can add it to my varieties site please Jerry.

[Zo Arms]

1 hour ago, jelida said:

From the photo, I would be happy with the B/R, the leg of the R shows both within and outside the lower loop of the B. I have the 1861 version (F282 variety). Well done!

Jerry

Thanks Jerry. Appreciate the confirmation. 

How's your halfpenny collection coming along?

[mrbadexample]

12 hours ago, Zo Arms said:

1862. B over R. 

 

I like it! 

[jelida]

4 hours ago, secret santa said:

Could you post the pic or refer me to a link so that I can add it to my varieties site please Jerry.

Oops, silly me, it’s the R over B in BRITT halfpenny that I have, which you have pics of. It’s my three 1862 B/R pennies that look identical to this B/R halfpenny overstrike. The abnormal shape of the inner loop of the B is a clear giveaway, even on worn coins.

The halfpenny collection is coming along nicely, thanks to LCA and EBay. My best so far is the (pricey) 1862 die letter C with good lustre, from a continental auction a few months ago. I must take pics.

Jerry

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

For comparison 2 different obverse 2 HAIF pennies.

First specimen is an earlier die state with the end of the leg of the L showing (ie:  HAI.F)

 

Edited January 11, 2022 by Bronze & Copper Collector

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

2nd specimen, not as good, but is a HAIF penny without the end of the leg of the L showing.

 

Edited January 11, 2022 by Bronze & Copper Collector

[Paddy]

3 minutes ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

I'll add images when forum software allow me to do so.

 

I think the software will let you load more images immediately if you do a refresh of the screen - using the F5 key or the refresh button at the top. Or else come out of the thread and back in should do it. (The software is not clearing the fact that you have already loaded an image and thinks you are trying to load another image alongside your first.)

This has worked for me in the past.

[Mr T]

On 1/11/2022 at 6:43 AM, Martinminerva said:

Definitely reverse G.

Easiest way to spot is the sea meeting rock level at the extreme left of the exergue. On Rev. G it rises up slightly and does not cross the linear circle. On Rev. I it is pretty much level and does cross the linear circle. See enlargements below...

In the notes I've left myself I have reverse G has lighthouse with two windows and one rock between lighthouse and shield, reverse I has lighthouse with no windows and two rocks between lighthouse and shield.

[Iannich48]

On 1/11/2022 at 2:18 PM, jelida said:

Oops, silly me, it’s the R over B in BRITT halfpenny that I have, which you have pics of. It’s my three 1862 B/R pennies that look identical to this B/R halfpenny overstrike. The abnormal shape of the inner loop of the B is a clear giveaway, even on worn coins.

The halfpenny collection is coming along nicely, thanks to LCA and EBay. My best so far is the (pricey) 1862 die letter C with good lustre, from a continental auction a few months ago. I must take pics.

Jerry

1862 die letter C with good lustre, nice! Please show us Jerry.

[mrbadexample]

18 minutes ago, Iannich48 said:

1862 die letter C with good lustre, nice! Please show us Jerry.

This! ☝️ 

[copper123]

Die letter C much rarer than the A

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

54 minutes ago, copper123 said:

Die letter C much rarer than the A

I've found the A to the RIGHT of the lighthouse to be the scarcest followed by the B. 

Die letter A appears to me  to the most common in either of the letter positions to the LEFT of the lighthouse.

Die letter C follows with same observation regarding either of its two letter positions.

Die letter B is next scarcest followed the die letter A to right of the lighthouse.

Years ago I had posted images of these in the forum. Can't seem to find them now. Probably using incorrect search parameters.

 

[Martinminerva]

9 hours ago, Mr T said:

On 10 January 2022 at 8:43 PM, Martinminerva said:

In the notes I've left myself I have reverse G has lighthouse with two windows and one rock between lighthouse and shield, reverse I has lighthouse with no windows

Not true! Reverse I lighthouse also has two windows as picture above shows, albeit masonry is a bit heavier (and akin to reverse F as Zo Arms says above).