loose54 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Hi all, I am a keen observer of this forum, I do not say much on here but look at the forum daily. Some of the coins I see on here are beautiful and the knowledge that goes with them is incomparable. I have seen many pennies over the past few weeks/months and they have started to interest me but I have found myself to sometimes be following the threads and getting confused with the enormous amount of varieties. So, I recently purchased a copy of Freeman's Bronze Coinage of Great Britain and thought I would see if I could follow any of it! I have quite a large lot of pennies (pieces that have just been put in a junk box really) and thought I would try and attribute a Freeman number to them. I have tried on the 2 1861 pennies attached. Anyway, I was wondering if maybe some of the experts on here could advise me where I am going wrong/right in interpreting the differences in varieties that Freeman lists (some of them seem minor enough that I find myself struggling). I have gone for the first 1861 Penny as Freeman 21 3+D and the slightly better 1861 penny as F25 4+G. I am fully prepared for these attributions to be slightly/very/astonishingly wide of the mark but thought that I would give it a go and if anyone had a spare minute they could advise me where I am going wrong. Hopefully I can get a slightly better grip on this series as I really do find it fascinating. Thanks for all of your help and for continuously posting such lovely coins and useful information. 1 Quote
cathrine Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I'd say that your attributions are correct. Quote
jelida Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Does look like a F21, with the colon after G of DG pointing to a gap, well done, a rare coin with significant value even in that condition. I think the 4 plus G is correct also.Jerry Quote
azda Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I would also get a copy of the Michael Gouby Book on the same subject, ist has been updated since the Freeman book, i don't know If Mr Gouby still has any avaliable, but its definately one worth buying If you intend to collect Pennies. Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I'm on my cell phone, so the images are smallish, and I can't confirm by counting teeth...However, based upon what I can see , your attributions are correct..... Quote
Mr T Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Michael Gouby's book on the subject is quite good in that it provides large clear pictures of each obverse and reverse in their entirety. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Well done loos some are hard to tell and i would be lost without the forum or the books i use almost daily.The michael gouby book is good as mentioned and available off his site.The British Bronze Penny 1860 - 1901 Quote
loose54 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Posted October 3, 2015 Thank you for the confirmation all. I must admit I do not know if I can make the commitment of collecting the series, it makes my mind boggle. But I find it incredibly interesting nonetheless and it is nice to hear I am learning. I look forward to seeing more wonderful specimens! Quote
secret santa Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Hi Loose, there are decent photos of all the Freeman varieties on my collection website (see below) and if you click on an image you get an enlargement which should help you with identifying varieties. 2 Quote
alfnail Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 I see that those two 1861's are now for sale at LCA Lot 2763 if any member was interested, £100 - £200 1 Quote
secret santa Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 I am currently producing a website which I hope will be useful for penny collectors to identify particular varieties. I am trying to bring together Gouby and Freeman varieties in one place with pictures and descriptions, including patterns and proofs. I'd appreciate feedback Merry Christmas 1 Quote
secret santa Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Just now, secret santa said: I am currently producing a website which I hope will be useful for penny collectors to identify particular varieties. I am trying to bring together Gouby and Freeman varieties in one place with pictures and descriptions, including patterns and proofs. I'd appreciate feedback Merry Christmas website is www.headsntails.wordpress.com Quote
secret santa Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Just now, secret santa said: website is www.headsntails.wordpress.com sorry, www.headsntails14.wordpress.com Quote
Paulus Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 I don't collect penny varieties but this strikes me as incredibly useful for those that do! Well done Richard I say! Quote
Nordle11 Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Yes extremely useful, have had a glance before and left my feedback already but in true Pete fashion - hats off to you Richard And merry Christmas too. Quote
1949threepence Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 I've copied and pasted both those addresses into my google bar and it's not coming up with anything Quote
jelida Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Excellent Richard, a fine reference, thanks for all the effort you put in on behalf of us penny lovers! Penny lovers? Makes us sound cheap...what is the word? Denariologists? Pennyphiles? (liable to mis-interpretation) Pennyologists? Need some help here! Anyway, Merry Xmas everybody! Jerry Quote
PWA 1967 Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 Dont know if its just me (probably) but cant find anything Quote
1949threepence Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) 34 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: Dont know if its just me (probably) but cant find anything No, not just you. As I said 2 posts before you, the web address is not bringing anything up (either of them) ETA: Tried on my PC, tablet (using a separate secure network) and my laptop - nothing on any of them. We could do with a non greyed out clicky. Edited December 24, 2015 by 1949threepence added a bit Quote
1949threepence Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 9 minutes ago, jelida said: Works for me, typed it in. Could you possibly post a proper link on here? Thanks. Weird that two of us can't see the site. Quote
pies Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 1 minute ago, 1949threepence said: Could you possibly post a proper link on here? Thanks. Weird that two of us can't see the site. https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/ Quote
1949threepence Posted December 24, 2015 Posted December 24, 2015 9 minutes ago, pies said: https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/ Thanks a lot - much appreciated. Can see it now. Quote
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