PWA 1967

The Andrew Wayne collection was before they stored the photographs on the computer in 2006 ,so not any pictures. LCA and Colin cooke did not keep the pictures before 2008 and can only be found in printed catalogues.

Thats a really good one and a fantastic buy.....HAT OFF 🙂

THIRTY 😵 Having an email from the seller he told me a couple he got more than expected and the F38 he thought was cheap ,all evens itself out if the buyers are happy also and i thought it was a lot to list all at the same time.Its hard to gauge the price on a scarce one as if a couple of people want one it will be worth more to them and it might be a while till another turns up. I bet you were glad when the auction finished Blake 👍

The ones Michael has from a sealed bag i found only a few weeks ago ,if anyone reading this does want one i still have a few. Pete.

http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/GB10pence.htm Not really the answer you wanted but Michael gouby has mentioned them on his site.

The auction raised £17 million and he gave it all to a charity of his choice.Plenty people have a few quid who are tighter than paint. Hat off to him 👍

Yes its a good point.......A downturn is a good buying opportunity 🙂 The coin cabinet auction had quite a lot of which only about half sold and although i dont know anything about most of the coins the pennies seemed to have reasonable estimates but not many bids.

Means tired or similar really but often used as in mithered or pestered. So if the wife keeps asking me to do something i will say "alright stop pow faggin ". Just a daft Lancashire thing 🙂

Click on edit post and take your email address off now as you dont want to be pow fagged . I have sent the pictures as big as i can so on two seperate mails. Pete.

If you send me a PM with your email address i am happy to send you large pictures before it was slabbed ,if it helps.This may at least help to confirm if it was the same coin as sorry i dont have a clue about them. Pete.

I am more than happy for you to do your own research and should you decide to do so ,you may well find a few more that you were not aware of.

My evidence is down to spending hours looking and asking dealers questions 🙂i dont doubt they are scarce or as a collector i would not of paid good money for one. On the 1st of March 2016 someone who had done there homework started a thread on this forum ,he then went on to sell it at LCA. 1909 2 + E penny now there are 16 ..........Was the title of the thread and i can remember at the time phoning people up and asking dealers about them ,which i have continued to do for the last three years.Some people have one and are happy to just put in there collection and dont come on here to tell everyone and have not all been sold at auction. Yes some are still scarce including the F169 , although the number of collectors prepared to pay for one may be less than we think. Numerous others including 1863 open , 1862 Half penny date , 1860 N/Z etc were all considered rare but have now all reached numbers were IMO the prices have started to drop. I have a collection and dont want them to go down but as more are found they are unlikely to go up.....Unless new collectors want them.

I think its all the same as more turn up and all relative to how many collectors will pay for one. A F169 was in LCA in Dec for £700.....It didnt sell but problem free ,this i do know as i bought it for less a couple of weeks after and now in a cgs slab. One sold a couple of weeks ago in a job lot at DNW for £550 ,again i opened the bidding at £20 and then let others get involved as it wasnt worth anywhere near £550 to me One sold on Tuesday in the Baldwin sale for £420. Dealers are obviously selling coins all the time and by speaking to them you get a better feel for the market and prices Its all the same if more keep turning up ( which they will ) the price will come down or become stagnant if people ask to much As far as the numbers there are definately more than 20 and its at this point IMO most collectors will of either bought one ,will look for one cheap on ebay etc or dont want one. The biggest problem IMO is the lack of new collectors and this if it happens is what may bring the prices back up.

Yes i think it went unsold last time ,its the same collector / collection and just re-submitted ,i suppose its the benefit of splitting the auction into three parts.If one does not sell first time you can put it in again.

https://bsjauctions.auctionmobility.com/lots/view/1-1XDHDY/united-kingdom Its only SOME of the low grade varieties which have become a lot more common Blake 🙂 You only need to look at some such as these in high grade.

Youre welcome 👍

Yes it was all part of the same collection Paul Hayward Edward V11 that was part 1 and the other one in part 2 yesterday 🙂

Cheered me up Terry I will send you a mail when it does and you can help me sell them ,i might get a couple of £ each

Yes your right Richard ,although it is like most of the others in a similar grade.I notice the St.James seller had bought a few from both workman / crocker sales including a 1909 Dot which sold in the previous auction a couple of months ago.The 1909 Dot being the same as the others mentioned unless VF or better........The last one i had i did give away to a forum member https://bsjauctions.auctionmobility.com/lots/view/1-1XDHE2/united-kingdom Having a quick look he had bought both of them from the workman sale ,this is the one that sold yesterday.

https://bsjauctions.auctionmobility.com/lots/view/1-1XDHDU/united-kingdom Seemed as good as anywhere to post although maybe a bit negative These two F164a were sold at both the workman and crocker sales for a total of £1300.The low grade varieties like the F164a ,Gouby X and 1903 open are due mainly to the internet being found all the time , maybe when varieties are selling for good money others start looking who may not even want one.There are more now than people who want them ,so IMO can only go down unless they are VF or better................ they will be giving them away soon . I was the underbidder otherwise they may of sold for £45 and although ones not bad , they are not worth anywhere near the money they were only a couple of years ago when i bought one for £250. Pete.

Wasnt sure if these would show but are the coin.....In a phone thing and then taken out 🙂 ......................................................................... Didnt realise they had been posted in the members thread aswell as these are off another forum with the same post

Thanks Peck i didnt know that 🙂 Although a good sign of a coin being retoned quickly after being messed about with is the fields will be a lot darker (black ) and patches will be that similar kind of (pinkish ) colour on bronze.The more a coin has been rubbed / polished the harder it is for the oil to stick to the surface and this is more often on the highest points. IMO though from the photo its had some kind of lubricant on and been re toned..........Unless its the photo and in hand does not look anything like the picture at all ....................................... Just having a look on the LCA website for the last twenty minutes at cleaned penny (pennies ) there are numerous examples that are the pinkish colour which they describe as cleaned and re toned or starting to re tone. These have been cleaned as if LCA were not sure they would maybe of not mentioned anything and if the seller did not agree maybe would not of been put in the auction.

IMO its had a rub with some kind of olive oil / lubricant. All the high points are much lighter and the colour not naturally dark , with the pinkish colour on the OBV that remains meaning it may of been done to re tone it.

Why the wife is going to the post office tomorrow someone may want this book as i have one already. The Bronze coinage of great brittain Its the Michael Freeman 1970 1st edition with dust wrapper. Please dont ask me for it FOC and then put on ebay the day after as one forum member did , as dont mind wrapping it up and sending it for nothing but not if someone is going to take the piss Better to let someone have it who really wants one rather than just having because its free 😟 Pete.