PWA 1967

Now online if anyone is interested. Pete.

Some UK sellers may also say it was rare as a DOT penny 😃 I agree though Mike ,unfortunately there will always be sellers whether the coin is slabbed or not asking what we consider to be daft prices. Its just the American market and slowly becoming worldwide is driven by slabbed coins.

1967 GREAT BRITAIN PENNY S-4157 PCGS GENUINE UNC DETAILS QUEST.COLOR BEAUTIFUL | eBay Coincidence as just been listed ,but shows how pictures can be hard to tell from and one that has been cleaned and artificially toned in the opinion of the grading company.

The one mentioned was a 1944 ,45 or 46 i cant remember which that Dave craddock had for sale ,i didnt want it and he sold it another dealer. It was easier to tell even from a scanned picture as should of been fully mint toned rather than oneside MT oneside BU and was therefore not natural toning or cleaning. Sometimes i believe the blanks / coins may stick together for mint toning ,leaving them partially or fully MT to only oneside. I did have a 1932 that i bought off Dave craddock that was mint toned but passed it on to a forum member. That i believe was a MT blank / coin in error that was mixed in with normal ones or possibly part of a trial for 1934 . Although some years are often hard to tell from a photograph as may of just naturally toned ,such as some pennies we see described as proof like.

He was on the set up TV programme Pawn stars ,trying to sell a Roman thing ,that apparently he knew nothing about 😃

Just looks like an O to me ,either the coin is damaged or the O is partly blocked.

Not sure if you are including coppers Richard as there are a few varieties scarce in high grade but the 1843 NO Colon better than VF is really hard to find.

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Its easier IMO Blake to get as many lists as possible from Dealers and keep them .More coins of any reasonable grade will have been sold by dealers attributed correctly than anything else as the majority going in an auction have been submitted by a dealer or by a seller who bought it from a dealer originally.They also may not be of a value worth putting in Auction. Some maybe duplicated but even so its a guide as to how many of something there may be and in what grades from dealers who are handling a lot more every month than the few people who post on the forum ,apart from the last 12 months were it is harder for dealers to buy anything due to covid. Over a period of time you can soon find out what is hard to find or plentifull and why i keep them all going back seven years since i started to collect pennies. Out of interest i looked at lists for F79 and made a phone call yesterday and a couple more calls this morning as lots of sought after coins may be sold by dealers before they even go on a list. It also means that even some coins that may be considered common are much harder to find than we may think as most collectors when they buy a coin dont look for that particular type anymore. So over the seven years i have kept lists if there are hardly any on they are either scarce or sought after as sold straight away.

http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/cp_1858.htm I dont have a picture but Michael Gouby has them on his site CP1858G ,its the one with the bit within the bottom loop.

Yes i agree Jerry and like plenty others IMO should only considered rare in high grade.

They are both open to opinion but both varieties completely different and can be spotted by a glance. Gouby says the 1858/2 is the one with a die crack through the date. The 1858/3 is (i dont think it is ) open to opinion. However yes there are two varieties that are both different but often attributed as the same variety.

No but i know who did 👍

I know not many collect Models ,however you will have to believe me that they are really hard to find in high grade and problem free.Most have been messed about with , cleaned ,played with or not stored properly. They are easy to buy for not much money but not easy to find in this grade 😃

You have done well as none were struck for circulation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49275300 None were struck for circulation from what i can see in 2018 & 2019 ,the 2018 are also confirmed as none being struck for circulation in the Royal mint mintage figures. So they will just be in the sets. https://www.royalmintmuseum.org.uk/home3/currency/uk-currency/mintages/

Yes but the difference with me Jon is i dont pretend to know everything and can laugh at myself 👍

Sorry again i misunderstood and with regards contacting the RM was just something i thought may help ,but obviously not. Hope it does not drag on to long for you and no doubt the legal position will be the best as you had mentioned before , i will keep out of a thread that i know nothing about 😀

Thats your call ,phone them up and ask them what happens and tell them your names Mr.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I am still unsure how you are responsible for paying the money back for something they delivered four months late and you dont have. The question is who is responsible to pay the insurer you or the person who has it ? If its you (Mr XXX ) you are closer to getting it resolved and just tell the buyer you can send him some evidence and he has to pay or return the coin. If its the buyer ,you can move on 🙂 ........................................ Reading further back the buyer has said if the insurance is returned he will pay you 👍

Is it not just easier as you have done nothing wrong Richard to just phone the Royal mail up ?. Tell them exactly whats happened you dont have the item and what do you do next ,you will then know and have peace of mind exactly what the right procedure is.

Perhaps i should of worded it better Jerry ,apart from sending a few emails i hardly know him and would be not any different than anyone else getting involved 👍

In all due respect Jerry it has nothing to do with me ,same as any other business transaction its a matter for them to sort out and not for me to get involved.

I think for his own peace of mind Richard has done the right thing by asking someone who can give him the right legal answers. I am sure it will get sorted out quickly and easily , my initial concern was someone doing or asking for something that was not legally right.

I would not worry about it ,they have written the packet off and paid you as the packet was not delivered in a reasonable time. They know you dont have it anymore and IF they were to ask for some kind of settlement i think would contact the current owner. If i am wrong and they do get in touch with you first then just inform the current owner before you make any payment who i am sure if he has not been contacted will be able to sort it out with you. It will sort itself out and would not worry about something that i doubt will happen 🙂

Yes the buyer as of today has a coin for nothing but that is due to the insurance ,who may still settle or ask for a payment from them .So the purchaser playing fair and square is exactly the same as the sender asking for the money twice ,although the second time they no longer own it ? As far as i can see the insurance company as of today have bought the coin with compensation and given it to the purchaser ? As far as i can see up untill today no liability or risk for anyone unless a further payment is made and that should maybe only be done when or if either party is contacted by the insurer. Forgetting the two people involved ,what happens every other time this happens ,perhaps even more so on a packet with a value of much less Reputation and word gets about sounds like someone is hiding something or doing some thing wrong 😃