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Just received this penny yesterday. Although I'm not a fan of slabbed coin n no idea why it's graded as AU, I'm still happy to secure this 1858 penny.

Ha yes, american grading, everything is AU😂. Large rose small date (hope correct), pity that there are dirt on it, however if it is not imperfect, i think it will be out of my reach.

I'm pretty sure I see the remains of an H in that photo.

I would grade it as EF , while there is little wear it is noticeable and the obverse has slight problems as well . Was the graders name mutly (Always dreaming!)

Neat capture Bruce.

Well done - I spotted that in a Spink auction recently.

I presume that the coin in question is the 1861, which, although admittedly it does look like a P/F, I would tend to doubt that it is a HALP penny. Although it is known with both obverses 6 and 7; to the best of my knowledge it is only known on reverse G. The coin in question is a reverse E (note the LCW). I would suspect that it is some sort of gunk at the tip of the crossbars of the F in HALF. For what it is worth, I hope that I am proven incorrect, or that I have been looking at wrong coin. The best scenario would be that it is a new discovery (those are always nice). Best of Luck

My bet is that it's not "no H" - the H wears away before the date or Britannia, and yours is a well worn specimen (the mintmark is below the date and would have been in that area of total wear there). The defining issue for genuine 'no H ' pennies is that they have an obverse that differs slightly from the 1882H pennies - it might not be possible to tell from the obverse on yours, but a picture might help.

My point was that the ONF 1860 penny is , like the 1882 'clogged H' penny , due to die deterioration, I am aware that the former is considered a variety, and the latter not. I am also aware that the genuine 'no H' 1882 penny was struck at the Royal Mint with no 'H' on the die. The issue is the extent that a coin struck from a damaged die, with perhaps interesting consequences, should be considered a true variety. There are various factors that seem to determine whether this becomes the case, the main one being attractiveness to collectors. But these coins , to my mind, are not equivalent to coins struck from a particular die variety. However, if anyone has a spare ONF penny at a sensible price........ Jerry