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I dont know if anyone reading this or a forum member has this 1909 F169 that was sold as part of the workman collection. I have been studying some paperwork and after someone using some software it was the first one discovered by Michael Freeman. I have some pictures and notes and the coin i believe was also used and pictured in Coin news in July 1971, this i dont have but i have an old black and white picture which we used. There are tiny microscopic differences to the pictures which probably happened over the course of the 45 years it was in a collection or the difference between one picture and another ,however all the main marks match up exactly on the software which gave a reading of 98.6% being the same coin. Michael Freeman records that he found it himself and was the only one known at the time. The coin wasnt sold in the workman sale with any provenance but thought the person who has it now may wish to know ,if they dont already.

I see a number of people are bidding on his 'ancient' Greek offerings too. Mind you, all come with one of those certificates of provenance and you can't put a price on peace of mind...... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313618758283?hash=item4905227a8b:g:eLUAAOSwOfdhAS8h https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313618953554?hash=item4905257552:g:oaIAAOSwwatg5cOm

On each listing these statements can be found further down the page. 'Our supplier', singular, would seem at odds with the wording of those certificates of provenance. WE TAKE EVERY CARE TO ENSURE THAT THE DESCRIPTION AND SPECIFICATIONS ON OUR ITEMS ARE CORRECT. HOWEVER SPECIFICATIONS AND DESCRIPTIONS OF ITEMS ON ARE LISTINGS ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE BINDING AND ARE INTENDED ONLY TO GIVE A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM/S LISTED. ALL OF OUR COINS & ARTEFACTS ARE DESCRIBED IN THE WAY THAT WE PURCHASE THEM FROM OUR SUPPLIER. IF WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED THE DATING OF AN ITEM IN THE TITLE OR DESCRIPTION IT IS BECAUSE WE CANT SAY FOR CERTAIN THE DATING OF THE ITEM. IT IS PREFERABLE NOT TO PROVIDE DATING ON MANY OCCASIONS AS TO NOT MISLEAD THE CUSTOMER.

Not great with Farthings but picked up an 1822 the other day and spotted that the date seemed unusual. Someone will probably now tell me that this repair is well known!!

Some people are really in for a shock when they come to sell on. I find it hard to believe that someone who is willing to pay over £300 hasn't educated themselves in such matters, after all it is not even a good fake. He also has an Elisabeth 1 sixpence which screams fake and now at £64. 'There's one born every minute' seems to hold true on eBay.

....and nearly all at the bargain basement price of just 99p. Another interesting thing I've just noticed is that the negatives have reduced from 51 to 50, and the first one, which I noticed earlier as it was quite animated, and referred to a fake, has vanished. The "coin" fetched £326.57.

And most of the recent positives are from the same "buyer" saying "Good seller! Hope to do more business in the future. Thank you. AAAA++++", all appearing together in a page of feedback but relating to different items. Suspicious or what?

What makes you think it's clipped? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184924732438?hash=item2b0e5f7c16:g:cH0AAOSwdpRg40wG

He has it as a "Private Listing" so you can't even see the pattern to his shill bidding.

what a mine field.

This is truly disgraceful fraud. An obvious fake, deliberately toned, with a supposed ‘certificate of provenance’ which is illiterate and means nothing. Signed by a ‘Matthew Wicks’, interestingly the same surname as the crooked antiquities dealer who is serving time as a result of the Herefordshire Saxon Hoard debacle. And also from Forest Row, Sussex. A co- incidence surely? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313619400575?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e112358.m43.l1123&mkcid=8&bu=43208328969&osub=-1~1&segname=16TE179832_T_ENDSOON_CT1&crd=20210731090000&ch=osgood&sojTags=osub%3Dosub%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Cch%3Dch%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid Jerry