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I think you may be right Jerry. At any rate, I think I might keep out of it from now on. At least until something definite begins to happen. Can I just say, if I've had any disagreements with anybody, I don't think they've been too sharp, and it's definitely nothing personal. I like and respect everybody on here. If we were meeting in real life, we'd have a bit of a discussion about it, say how racked off we were with the entire thing, then have a drink and a laugh, and talk about coins or something else. Face to face never seems to get as personalised as it does in writing on a forum.

It is the same for me, but the prolongation that seems inevitable does increase the opportunity for things to get out of hand and perhaps a bit too bitter. I agree that tolerating and respecting our differences is essential, but there have been a number of heated exchanges over the months (years?) and I hope these don’t threaten the integrity of the forum as a whole. It has been absorbing (in a horror movie sort of way) watching the parliamentary process progress- or not - but in this forum, where we should be pulling together in our love of numismatics, I do worry that we are learning a bit too much about each other and getting a bit too emotional for comfort. Jerry

It is madness. And there is another dealer on the USA EBay site who has hundreds of slabbed common uk coins at similar prices, many artificially toned (which seems to pass muster with the slabbers). Is there really a market? Talk about the fool and his money.... Jerry

$300 for the second or third most common coin in UK history??

http://thefakepoundcoindatabase.co.uk/NewPound.html A fantastic website and Hat off to the guy. I wasnt aware there was now fake £1 coins in circulation .but suppose it was bound to happen 😵

If the subject to deemed to be off limits, I'll abide by that decision.

I have had the opportunity to go through 33 proof 1998 pennies. Of this group there were: 26 Type 1 reverse C 7 Type 2 reverse C Within the 26 Type 1 there were 8 doubled die obverse. They were all the same doubled die which mostly showed as extra thickness and small notches on "IRB".

There honestly is. I know collectors stateside who will pay hundreds of dollars for common date George V coins slabbed at MS65 or above, when they only book £20 in Spinks in BU. I think most of these people collect the numbers on the slab rather than the actual coin because a lot of these "MS65" coins have serious issues e.g. dipped, artificial toning and are really not gem specimens compared to what you could pick up at a UK coin fair. I've even seen a "MS65" bun penny with a noticeable finger print on Victoria's face ! People get pretty defensive though when you point it out, there's a lot of faith in the slabbing companies to pick up cleaning etc. despite the fact that both PCGS and NGC run cleaning ahem...conservation companies themselves. I don't mind TPGs too much, as they're really valuable in fields where there is a lot of forgery going on - it would be difficult to collect rare early 20th century Chinese coins without them, for example. But you know there's something going wrong when coins with mintages in the millions, and thousands of pristine examples available to collectors are going for top dollar.

This has become the thread that I turn to first every day and I'd be sad to see the end of it (unless Theresa gets a one years extension) so can't we just respect our differences ? After all, it's only mirroring the country.

They are. This would never pass muster with Mr Average Joe, once he's pulled his loupe out and checked for the micro-lettering.

He appears to be doing a better job than the RM in noticing and highlighting fakes to the public!

Thousands Mike ,just click on the £2 tab 😮

I wasn't talking about the UK democracy system, the discussion was about "true" democracy. I was highlighting the fact that once your chosen representative has proposed a choice of options, and one of those options has commanded a majority vote by the electorate that it should be acted upon. Regardless of what system is in place, that is the surely the true definition of democracy 🤷‍♂️

Get your 1967 1d's slabbed. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1967-Penny-1D-S-4157-Great-Britain-PCGS-MS65RD-GEM-UNC-top-of-the-population/264271580689?hash=item3d87d04e11:g:euUAAOSwaRBcX3AP

I have a 1857 shilling in much the same condition as yours both A's in Britannia are uncrossed plus one in GRATIA there are also strange blobs growing on some of the letters, I just think it's die wear, neither ESC or Davies list such varieties.

It's always possible, but the bars frequently fill on the die, so it may not be what it seems.

Absolutely. There are so many shades of grey. Far more than 40 in fact. On the one hand, if you are in business, it would be insanity not to take advantage of major price rises. On the other you don't want to alienate your customers through transparently obvious sharp practice. So it's a matter of flexibility. Recognising market movements, but also not unreasonably inflating your prices to rip off levels. Not deliberately trying to take advantage of newbie collectors and so forth. Not lying about a variety or exaggerating a grade. If it was me, I might be open to offers, free with technical advice or pointing in the right direction if I didn't know, and maybe throw in the odd freebie extra now and again, especially for long standing customers. Like you, I'd want my customers to see me as a friend, as much as a trading contact. At the end of the day though, honesty and integrity aces all.

Ok don't keep Rabbiting on about it then😁