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Whatever your view on another forum member’s opinion the above post is entirely inappropriate and you should remove it or apologise for your language and personal abuse. We do not always have to agree but we do have to disagree in a civil fashion. Jerry

I think I speak for everyone that Peckris is a wealth of knowledge and very far from being a 'f-ing moron'. It's unecessary to talk to people like that, so please don't.

Where did that come from Zookeeperz? Peckris is sound as a pound and really does know his stuff.

I have a rental property in Manchester with Latvian tenants. A lovely family that I would choose any day over the local hominids. Nearly 40 years ago I was working in Cologne and found the place to be teeming with Germans. So much so that I felt compelled to carry out an act of compassion - I married one to help reduce the numbers. Joking aside, there is a serious point to this. Human nature has shown time and time again that any insular community will be on the receiving end of prejudicial acts and comments from the majority population simply because they aren't willing to integrate. Whether the group is based on racial or religious grounds is irrelevant, the key is that there is little social contact outside of business transactions leading to resentment that they are taking 'our jobs', and virtually no marriages across the divides occur. On an individual level, most people will get on with most people because they are willing to communicate. Resentment is almost invariably against persons unknown, who may or may not have been responsible for the act that may or may not have happened, who have most likely been described via a third party. None of this precludes having a dislike of an individual or individuals, but once you single out a group for who they are rather than what they have done, you are well on the way to emulating such paragons (not) of tolerance such as the Taliban, the Turkish treatment of the Kurds or the Israeli treatment of Palestinians in Gaza. It isn't a question of politically correct bs, rather one of common decency for another human being.

Hear, hear. A mate, a gentleman, and an expert on all aspects of 20th century English coinage.

Zookeeperz, we don't want abusive comments here. Maybe you would be happier on another forum.

I think it is nice doing it for no other reason than it's quite a sociable event I'm sure. Coins are often a nice conversation starter as people wander around. I used to do one once a month in Bournemouth well Canford cliff and never sold anything but I just saw it as a social event. Oh I do miss Dorset. Good luck paddy.

Thanks for the support! I find that I mostly end up selling small-beer stuff: low value foreign coins, decimal 50ps and £2s and some of the British Crowns (1965 to 1981) to youngsters. For all these I see my job more proselytising than making a profit. Once in a while I pick up a serious collector, but most of the sales to them are done through subsequent private meetings or negotiations via email. The other key reason for doing it is that occasionally someone will bring me "Granny's box of old coins" and that is generally the best source for exciting new stock!

It is indeed !

It would be a lot easier if some were a bit more presentable. The temptation to store nos. 4 & 5 under the felt instead of on top must be immense.

Oh I would give this ten 'likes' if I could. My wife also thinks this is brilliant......

1 to 4 look to be as stated. no.5 I can't tell for certain but the leaves at the top of the wreath are in the right place.

The I in Victoria is over a smaller I and the 1 in the date is over punched. I find it intriguing that the lettering has often been altered from the older curly bases to the straighter more solid type. The F of half looks to have been repaired almost looks like a an I I have noticed it often looses the lower serif and the base.

oh I have just noticed one which may confirm that there is one with no rock intentionally like the one you show this one shows a very sharp straight line to the horizon and it most obviously has been cut that way like a small ramp when the phone is charged I will imagine it and add it, Again having done little academic allocation of the die number I would say that there is a type without rock and several transitionals

A new addition to my Vickies recently, it has some nice colours but unfortunatly I'll need to try harder to capture them.

I will keep looking for you

I'm not sure but I think I also have one without the rock on the left side. I have tended to go through looking for repairs and over prints.

I might well try year sets at some stage - the challenge is getting them mounted in a presentable way at an affordable price. I don't think I would carry on doing the markets if I made no profit at all. Today I took about £330 net of table money and I was one of three coin dealers stalled out. Maybe there is more coin activity at the local markets than some of you fear?

I am no expert at all values, but it seems to me that there is no consistency for the period 1860-1970 as to which coin designs (farthing to half crown, obverse or reverse) have designer’s initials. So maybe there is no rule?

If I thought they were annoying and trivial I wouldn’t read them. Sometimes I think you might be looking a bit too closely though. Keep posting - it’s all good.

I agree with you on one thing - politics and religion have no place in a hobby forum such as this. I'll sign off from this with one more comment : the bombers who killed "our kids" (and adults, of all backgrounds, religions, and nationalities) weren't immigrants. They were British-born terrorists. I'd check your facts before posting in future.

in that statement you sum up my whole position on it the eye is, somehow through constant awareness subconsciously of registering, when something just looks a tiny fraction "wrong". In itself it is remarkable and I have only noticed myself in the past three years since starting all these "forensic" studies. I will load up the pictures of the variation in the copper from 1825 to 59 which I think will help. I have just got a little carried away imaging something else and so this debate has forced me to look very carefully at the copper series again so thank you everyone for enabling that.

I have hundreds of 1861's paddy so I will take a look for you it is one of the most exciting half penny years so full of errors and changes but even after looking at it for three years now only one seriously, I find it really hard to get good information apart from Peck and freeman. I will compare it with mine if I get time today.

Your last bit Mike about the company having a password is the one Mike ,I owned call centres and had sixty thousand business customers that we continued to look after the intitial sale and build a relationship with. Unfortunately we had that big a share of the market that competitors phoned up saying they were us as an easy introduction and assumptive. We therefore had passwords to ensure both parties were familiar with each other before the call was continued ....So yes secutity works both ways. However in the early days when we had know customers being polite ,courteous and listening to what the persons business wanted worked quite well Not all call centres tell lies and try to have people over and most reputable ones have a phone system that will record everything (even if the call is unanswered ) ,although the costs involved are high especially if you have hundreds of lines.The regulators should monitor the smaller groups of telesales teams just as much who in some cases have know other interest than making a quick few quid and are happy to lie to get it. All good fun and the choice is our own as to weather we listen or not. Pete.

Indeed, they are not only infuriating, but also totally incomprehensible. Surely, surely, any organisational management with even half a brain, must know that confronting the public with such inane questions on an outgoing call, is going to wind them up, and accordingly arrange any outbound campaign to exclude any questions which might give rise to having to ask questions which require data protection laws to come into effect (GDPR now) Or write to them. Or arrange for all customers to have a reverse means of identification - eg: they have a password which they ask the caller of the organisation concerned to say before the call is proceeded with. Security is two way, not one.

I live in Walsall. I buy my turmeric from the Asian Supermarket. I buy my sausages from the Polski sklep.

yes or the wonderful Gillray who does a great cartoon George the III with an octopus on his head smothering liberty. Get the hold of the earliest american cents of the 19th C and turn it upside down on the obverse the chinless wonder with a large nose and coiffure is perfect you even get the stiff upper lip

Someone once posted this in a forum, it's worth posting here too! Me. "Hello" Random Bloke (RB) "Good morning sir how are you today?" Me "Itchy" RB ".....Ok.....do you know your Windows computer has been sending out random messages for the last two weeks?" Me "Really?" RB "Yes sir, do you have a few minutes and I'll help you fix it?" Me "Thats rather splendid of you" RB "Will you turn your computer on, I'll give you a few minutes" Me "Its on" RB "Its on now?" Me "Yes it starts instantly" RB "Can you see your desktop with all the icons?" ME " I don't have any icons on my desktop, they make me feel itchy" RB ".....OK.....On the bottom left of your keyboard there a ctrl key, can you see it?" Me "Yes" RB "Can you tell me what key is to the right of it?" Me " alt" RB "And to the right of that?" Me "cmd" RB "No, no , no, sir at the bottom left of the keyboard is a ctrl key, what is to the right of it?" Me "alt" RB "And beside it?" Me "fn and alt" RB "You should be able to see a key with the Windows symbol on it" Me "Nope" RB "Its next to the ctrl Key" Me "Nope" RB "There's no Windows key?" Me "Nope, its a Mac and they don't have a Windows key" RB "Its a Mac?" Me "Yep" RB ".....Ok.....can you go onto Google for me?" Me "Nope" RB "You just need to go onto the internet with Safari and go to Google" Me "Can't" RB "Can I ask why?" Me "Yes" RB ".........You can't go on Google?" Me "Nope" RB "Why not?" Me "I'm not connected to the internet, it makes me feel itchy"

Hear hear. What I hear from many Brexiteers is absolutely and unforgiveably shameful. How is blatant xenophobia proving the moral superiority of Brits? "It's just 1 particular country are scummier than the rest of the world in general. I am sure there are some decent ones. I am yet to meet any and that doesn't make me a racist whatsoever." Maybe not, but it is xenophobic and that's just as bad.

My calls to HMRC or DWP invariably begin with me saying "This call is being recorded for quality and monitoring purposes". The calls that really infuriate me are when someone calls ME and then says "I'm going to take you through some security questions before proceeding with the main reason for the call." I always reply by saying "Hold on a moment - YOU called ME. You prove you are who who you say you are or I'm not answering any of your so-called security questions."

Absolute highway robbery, and some naive sap fell for it. That is so obviously not a mule.

Well with a table cloth,brush,wheel trim,flip flops and sat in the bath on a box ,looking in the mirror i think Mr Wyon did a good job

Here's that "mule" I mentioned: https://www.spink.com/lot/16004000792 The moral of the story is: professional cataloguers don't always know what they're talking about!

I'm not sure I agree with you about the kids losing interest in history I would say it is in the ascendancy kids have been inspired by programmes like Horrible Histories it's just th interest is different. They have (thankfully) moved away from the tedium of learning long disconnected lists of facts. Instead they enjoy more social history and in many ways have a better understanding of history at the common level than many older people. Hence I think we might have a job on our hands if we approach collecting just as collecting long lists of coins. I think we should begin to write coins into the fabric of this somewhat dumbed down version of history (not my opinion) in that way we can engage them at a level of the people that held the most money and exchanged it... The common npeople..... Instead of being a very snobbish approach we can have a lot of fun being imaginative and creative. One good way is to ask primary school teachers if, when they study a historic period, if they would be interested in you visiting with a load of coins the kids can handle and imagine with. It is our duty as I have said to create the future collectors by stimulating their interest. The curriculum periods are, fire of London, tudors, victorian social history punishment and social injustice, roman Britain, Greeks, aztecs, Egyptians, civil war, African west Africa cultures. Then of course there are the high schools. Think outside the money box and show them the con nections coins can give them.

(Shilling)

A keeper for my half crown collection