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I have condensed the information from Dave's and my survey into the following: 1971-1984 – Second Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1985-1990 – Third Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1991 This date has the 2 reverse Portcullis types 1 & 2 but it is interesting to note that type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1992 I found that there are 2 distinct reverse variants for this year Rev a – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to right of a border bead (110BB) Rev b – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) 1993 - Has both reverse types of Portcullis but now differs in that Type 2 still pairs up with Rev b of the 1992 penny with 113 border beads; Type 1 now is placed with a legend which has only 109 border beads and were the 1 & P now both point directly to a border bead (as Rev B of the 2000 Penny). From the survey I also found one with the Portcullis link filled in this date. 1994 - As 1991 has both Portcullis types 1 & 2 were type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1995-1999 – all have type 2 reverse with Rev b legend (1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead). 1998 Obverse changes to Forth Portrait. 2000 – Again I found only 2 distinct variants for this year although I note that DaveG found 3 in his survey done back in 2013. However both variants only have the Type 2 Portcullis. Rev A – as 1999 penny the 1 of date points left of a border bead, P of Penny is to a gap between border beads. (113 BB) Rev B – as 2001 penny the 1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead. (109 BB) 2001-2006 – all again have type 2 reverse but now with Rev B legend characteristics as the 2000 penny (1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead). 2007 – Has both reverse types of Portcullis both with Rev B. 2008 – Again has both reverse types of Portcullis with Rev B. 2008-2015 – New Shield Reverse; 2015 -onward Fifth Portrait Obverse. I have not really studied the Shield reverse enough to see any new variants although I do have a 2 ltr tub full, I have lost the will........... Rarity 2008 - Out of 96 pennies only 2 had type 2 ( Daves: 30 type 1 1 type 2) 2000 - out of 94 pennies 64 were Rev A and 30 Rev B 1993 - out of 21 pennies only 7 had type 2 (Daves: 25 type 1 15 type 2) 1992 - out of 15 pennies 5 Rev a and 10 Rev b 1991 - Out of 14 pennies only 2 had type 2 (Daves: 13 type 1 1 type 2) The other dates of 1994 & 2007 seem to be fairly even having almost the same ratio of type 1 & type 2, taken from both mine and Daves survey.

It's all relative. VS has many fabulous coins in his collection and I would be very happy to own coins he describes as "quite" good. It's certainly better than mine (which I later slabbed and got CGS85)

"Quite"?

WOW Brian! I have a number of pennies that have been saved over a number of years which I have just started sorting, I hope to add to the work above, but I'm under no illusion that I am "Standing on the shoulders of giants". or "late to the party" depending on your view I cant help thinking if there are a number of reverse dies there must have been a number of obverse dies too I feel in coming years people will be hunting down obverse & reverse die pairings. "I need a 1992 BHX - D + 3"

I hold the current record indoors, 13 minutes talking about Window replacements to one of the spammers from 'Microsoft India' telling me my Computer has been compromised, being a Surveyor I even managed to include technical terms like fenestration and multi point locking into the conversation to add to the confusion their end.

Is he holding a cricket bat?

Brian, Based on what you have done (great stuff by the way) could you take my original list of variants and amend it in say red or blue for the changes/additions and then re-publish on here? That way we can see what's new. As has been said, its difficult to follow exactly what's going on without a simple chart/list to compare against.

Great work Brian. But must say my brain is starting to hurt Also sorted all the pennies from the better half's copper jar last night...What have you started

Just tried again and it worked with the same image as before - very strange !

If you have tried to attach a bigger than 500kb file initially then reduced it but haven't left the topic and come back to it, it will still recognise the first attempt. For some strange reason you have to leave the topic and re-enter it and try uploading again

My latest acquisition is a Freeman 17, which is in GEF with some residual lustre. Unfortunately there are some light but noticeable scratches, especially to the reverse, which do detract somewhat. But as it's scarce, otherwise very nice, and I got it for a reduced price, it was worth buying. Another notch on the 1860 and 1861 joint series project bedpost.

Hope you don't mind me rehashing this thread. I have literally in the past week and a half done a similar survey after emptying out my penny jar for the first time in about 2+ years. My findings almost mirror Dave's. For the 2008 I found out of 37 with Portcullis only 1 type 2 and for 2007 out of 46 there were 28 type 2 and 18 type 1, 1991 I didn't have many but out of 8 found 1 type 2. The others are almost exactly the same ratio's. I also found 1 coin which had no sign of rivets, this time a 2007 still with good lustre. I have attached an image below. I am at present trying to put together a full set of decimal pennies from the circulation issues with good lustre..........a lot harder than I thought!! So can we assume that the 2008 type 2 is actually quite a scarce variant?