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terrysoldpennies replied to Prax's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
Ahh yes It does look a little that way , but actually I took a picture of the obverse without any problem but then when I tried to photo the reverse, the 2 was almost missing , as It is weakly struck and someone has scratched across the date , so I had to find a different lighting situation , hence it was laid down on another surface . I'll have to remember that next time. -
Nice one, Terry but why the different backgrounds to the photos ? If anyone else had put these pictures up on Ebay, I'd have smelt a rat !
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These lettering "defects", I'm afraid, are simply the product of how the edge lettering and graining is manufactured: firstly, the blank planchets are incuse lettered by rolling/rotating them under pressure through drums or wheels which contain raised, "mirror" image lettering to impress the correct words into the edge. Then the lettered blanks are struck between regular dies with a plain, grained collar which imparts the "milling". And herein lies the problem - metal flow under the significant pressure of the dies where the milling coincides with the incuse letters can produce these anomalies as metal can fill some of the interstices to some or full degree. On your specimen above, the diagonal downstroke of the R is actually still visible, albeit faint, and even full "Pemember" examples are just where the metal flow has obscured that part of the R. Likewise with the M's - they are not a smaller font, just where metal has encroached on the incuse letter somewhat. A curiosity, yes, but common, yes, and error or variety, no, sorry. And as for value - two pounds, I'm afraid.
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Yes, yes, it says pemember. But what's also interesting is that the "m" on Novemeber is noticeably smaller than the rest. Also the "R" on the November is very clearly a "P" it doesnt even look worn. It seems that the leg of the R just completely didn't print. My question, has anyone else had a coin with the same "m" defect? And also, this coin isnt in brilliant condition. Reasonably, how much do you think this could go for?
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Quite an impressive first post, to say the least.
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It's not entirely bad, but there is certainly wear on the king's hair/beard/brow/cheek/tash/ear and on the lion's body/tail/feet and also on parts of the crown.
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Hadrian Ӕ Tetradrachm of Alexandria Dated Year 20. AD 135-136 Obv: AYT KAIC TRAIA ADRIANOC CEB clockwise from top right, laureate head left. Rev: Date LK (year 20) to left of Nilus sitting left, holding reed and cornucopiae, crocodile beneath him. Emmett 1016
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Finding good graded coins has been good of late, another box of coins processed and this 1915 Shilling George V although heavily tarnished its quite a good grade, the lions nose seems a bit rubbed, but the rest seems un touched, vast improvement on the one I already had.... 👍🙏
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The UK £sd may have been accepted but they started coining their own dollar in 1865 with cent coins and going to 50 cents in silver and 2 dollars in gold. I do find the 50 cent coin to have a very beautiful portrait of Victoria. I have too many desires and not enough money, but a type set of Newfoundland coins (one of each denomination & monarch) would be a terribly fun set to get.
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Looks to me like an Indian issue, perhaps of the Portuguese colonial types. Plenty of similarities looking at a quick Google search.
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Canada officially went decimal beginning in 1858 with the first crown issued coinage. It was primarily due to the proximity to the United States and a lot of US coinage circulating in Canada. However, Newfoundland was a separate British possession and still traded in £sd until the 1880s when they also went decimal. Newfoundland had it's own unique coinage and paper money right up until it became a Canadian province in 1949.
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No, from sol or solidus. The livre had 240 deniers (pennies) or 20 sou (sol) to the Livre (Livre tournois) or pound of silver which should sound slightly familiar around here 😉
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Thank you. The seller classed it as a 5b etc but it never ever looked right to me. I will try and narrow it down now, thanks for your help
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Awesome, Edward III, pleased that was correct, its a real challenge with these Edwards. the heads up with the Annulet has given me additional info to look into. this info has already lead to..... CIVI TAS DVNE LMIE Translation: City of Durham, so that was right although the rest was rubbed away. Many thanks is been a great help, 🙏
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The o between S and R is an annulet, which I believe makes it an Edward III third or Florin coinage penny of 1344-51. Not really my area of expertise though so I can't be more specific.
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It's not class 5; the portrait looks more like class 7 to me. I'm pretty sure that the reverse legend is IOAN ON CAN.T so it couldn't be class 5 anyway. Slevin's Short Cross Legends has a 7b2 with that exact reverse legend, but the A in CANT looks more like 7a (pointed) than 7b (vertical sides) than that example. Bizarrely placed reverse pellet stops are very common in classes 7a3 and 7b, so without a better ID of the portrait I can't be sure on the class, but the portrait looks more like a 7b to me, so it may be a 7b1/7a3 mule. Oh and Henry III, not John. Anyone else fancy a go?
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Missing shield and rock seat, too ₤₤₤!
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... and it turns out the lines were some kind of glue/varnish residue. Same coin after an acetone bath: