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I could also add, I momentarily heard a small male choir singing a single note, two or three times within the space of about 1-2 minutes, whilst in that tower. I thought it was about 10 male voices but then l checked and 3 monks were hung drawn and quartered there. Maybe it was 3 voices singing in unison? I swear it happened just like that.

I bet it only cost £800-£2,000. Cheap lens indeed! Congrats on the pic btw.

Sadly you cannot get "rabies" out of "Jenrick"

So l visited Glastonbury Tor with a camera and a half decent zoom lens. Sure enough someone had stuffed a football into one of the windows of St Michael's Tower (the tower at the top of the tor), and the tower was descrated with graffiti, just a load of names, some within love hearts. I can't think of a better way to jinx onesself. That said, l'm not into mystic Christianity and all the New Age meditation and occidental dharmic practises l saw going on there. There was also a woman with a pale hat, probably white or very light yellow. Ok the point is, I later checked my pics and saw something odd. Seemingly sat on one of the stone benches within the tower was an object, it sort of looks shaded in the original pic, indicating it's dead and subject to light cast on it from all around (the tower is open top, roofless, but the skylight doesn't infiltrate very far down into the tower). However, it's rather bright compared to the surrounds. I'm 50:50 on it being .... incandescent? It definitely wasn't the previously seen football, that was there even as l left (l took some parting shots). It wasn't the woman's hat. Any opinions on what it was? I have processed the image to intensify the colours and there appear to be faint blue veins running through it in one of my processed edits. The sepia edit is to show how bright it is compared to the surrounding countryside basking under open skies on the hottest June day recorded. The lady in front of the sphere was either reading the memorial inscription within the tower, or she was doing some New Age prayer (as l had witnessed her doing on a few occasions).

I just tried Google's image search for the first time, and here are the results: "This is a medieval "Bull and Horseman" type silver Jital coin, likely from the Kabul Shahi or Saffarid dynasties dating between 850-1000 AD. The coin features a recumbent zebu bull on one side and a horseman holding a lance on the other. These coins were commonly used in regions corresponding to modern-day Afghanistan, Pakistan, and northern India." ... and some of the visual matches:

Wrong thread!

They got the word from [possibly indentured] Hindu sailors. Unsure what it means. It's also a city in Azerbaijan. /end derail

@Paddy I'm not really an expert hence l don't post on this forum much at all. However, l get the feeling there's opportunity for fakers because of the indefinite pause before anyone can say it's unrelated to anything historical. There would be an indefinite pause while people look it up and try to find a match, because the Celts seem to have been making crude copies of Greek coins, especially crude in north west Europe and Britain. The front facea seem to have been known for often meaningless patterns (c.f. intricate designs on modern currency to hamper forgery). So, there's a lot of ambiguity for a faker to draw on. Then the indefinite pause before they get called out for faking it.

ah yes, you are correct, I put this down to the warm weather and lack of sleep 1641-3 Triangle circled. the condition is also to be my fault, it was mixed in with loads other coins for ages and just ended up being roughly handed......ooops 😕

Hi there Paddy! Seems to be a Celtic silver quarter stater, unsure which country. Western Europe though, possibly British, Gallic, Belgian etc. Apparently the patterns on the other side have been critiqued as being meaningless but conserved with slight variations, re: a find in Canterbury https://www.britnumsoc.org/publications/Digital BNJ/pdfs/1955_BNJ_28_32.pdf You can see from this article that there is indeed a bloke wih a fedora as central motif, possibly a horned head dress in reality. I thought it looked ancient near east but the design of the horse is very Celtic / Etruscan. The horned head dress, chariot with chariot wheel, and spear are a recurrent deity motif. I'm no expert.

Possibly eastern European or a little further east. It should be straightforward though with the rider's hat, which is probably the best indicator of the area being distinctive in style. Say Persia or Turkey. Sorry, it's too hot and can't be ar**d at the moment, but guarantee someone will be into hat detail, given it must be a nerdy topic.

Amongst the copper and bronze I am sorting through, as mentioned in another thread, is this one little silver piece. Any thoughts? About 15mm diameter at the longest, 1.5mm thick and weighs 3.1g.

Mintmark is triangle in circle I think, and it is 1641-3, Tower Mint under the King. (1639-40 is just triangle without the circle) Charles I shillings are common in low grade but scarce in high. Yours is quite well struck for the reverse and the flan is round. It's a bit unfortunate there are some fresh scratches and rubbing.

Rummaging away today, and found this ...... Charles 1st Hammered Silver Shilling, under parliament ? 1639 - 1640 mm Triangle circled any comments / opinions greatly welcome many thanks "H"

Thank you, I did search through the British Museum online collection and unfortunately they have no images for them that I could find

Despite Peck calling both listed proofs EXR they're almost certainly PU, and any picture (apart from Peck's plate photograph) will possibly be online on the BM's website (visit their online collection - some of the coin collection is there but most isn't). There won't be any other photo as far as I'm aware, and even if either is on the BM's website there might be copyright issues with reproduction. There's no evidence that the copper P.556 is a "proof" It's in poor condition and is of the lighter brown colour as seen on Charles. An off-metal strike, I would guess it's a copper blank struck at the softer pressure as used for the tin coinage, as the fields are unmarked and smooth.

I've been compiling a file in the past few days of the proof milled farthings and their respective images. It has come to my attention that nearly all of the monarch have had proof farthings in their reigns, and most of them come on the market quite regularly especially Queen Anne and Charles I. The issue I have currently is I am yet to come across either an image, or a listing, of a James II proof farthing. This isn't particularly surprising, short reign etc. However my main issue is that I know they do definitively exist as they are mentioned by Peck, one being a tin proof, obverse only and the other being a worn copper proof. I could hardly imagine that there were only two proof farthings under his reign, much less both be in the BM. If anyone has any images, leads or listings for a proof James II farthing, tin or not, it would be appreciated greatly if it could be shared with me.

Have you emailed them directly? They might not be prepared to search old records but you never know.

Agreed! I used to spend time and effort trying to debunk this rubbish, particularly when I was dealing part time, but now I have given up. A fool and his money is soon parted.

Yes. I hope he was grateful for my detailed and thorough answer (!). This sort of ebay nonsense, inspired by poor journalism by the tabloids, really gets me going, thus I feel obliged to explain why this sort of thing is NOT an error or valuable. Viz. too "upside down" edges on former pound coins and £2's. As the lettering is done first, it's 50:50 which way up the lettering will be when the two sides are struck!

And the reverse die also having a little further deterioration at the corresponding area too. In all other respects the coin is about EF, with trace lustre around the devices.

that one is very week on charles hair/laurel leaves

Here's one of mine displaying the same die deterioration. A not uncommon feature on farthings of 1675.

The OP has not been back since his query, and I suspect he won't be as he did not get the glowing response he sought!

I concur, especially if you were dealing with a mint state piece, which in this state looking at the rims clearly isn't. However, it could be that it was being electropolished to remove crud and toning marks - in which case, a beautification project. As one of ebay's 'must have errors', the condition is probably irrelevant to a great extent. Road kill status is likely to be the biggest impediment to value, when the knocks are impossible to disregard.