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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oxford-Junior-History-Tudors-Stuarts/dp/0199181217 I believe this was the one l had at home when l was young, l think it was a giveaway from my local primary school. Profusely illustrated. Sadly l can't find page images online so l can't be sure but the date of 1981 fits the bill.

Thanks Jerry. That makes a lot of sense. I have not studied die cracks much, a lot to learn.

I'd like to talk about cats but l don't want to be the first to comment. My daughter was a tabby but sadly l had to sell her due to no pets at new flat. This is going to sound weird but she twice spoke English to me, in a very catty voice but it was English. Anyway l was hoping for some expertise from people that love dissecting fake circular objects (coins is the word l'm looking for) while discerning them from real uns. I want to delete the thread now as tbh it's freaking me out and besides l want to see if l can sell my pic (hence l was only showing partial images). I might not even do that as I start paying too much attention to bumps in the night when l focus on this stuff. Will speak to the forum editor about deleting this thread. Meanwhile ... why do people act like cats are evil and manipulative? I couldn't be mindcontrolled by something 4kg in weight that poos in a tray. All l ever did for her was stroke her, de-flea her, rub diatomaceous earth into all my carpets when she got fleas off the local scruff, feed her, give her a deep tissue massage right before meals to make the food taste better, empty her litter tray, replace with fresh litter, carry 5kg bags of litter a kilometre on foot at a time when l was obese and spherical, it got so bad that l could barely get back off the floor when bending down to put catfood in her bowl.

Definitely a die crack. As metal is lost from the sides of the crack the flaw on the coin becomes steadily wider until the die breaks or is withdrawn from use. Jerry

Not my statement, just quoting the vendor’s description, he/AI couldn’t even call her Britannia. Yes, I’m sure ‘Britannia’ has classical origins. Maybe this medallion of Commodus was an influence, it celebrates action in Britain.

Are you sure britannia is a british lady? I strongly suspect she was made up by the romans who would be very unlikely to put a local near naked woman of ancient british origins on one of their coins

I have just got this 1879 penny and I noticed a connecting spar on the O of ONE. I first thought it was a die crack, but it seems too wide for that. Any ideas?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/127945382130?_skw=1696&itmmeta=01KWV68AKFNDSWCKKGPY94SJ64&hash=item1dca2398f2:g:iPYAAeSw35RqQGXn&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAAwGfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xDovThOToFz2ZFPxugPA9XSFNn8ZGWTRKC3MuiLJB2vvvikM48JUeNQ5533R99qzPdpkTJiede8k08e1bKo7QPHnPdYirkor3VFy0FOX2Qdv22cpy62ndLBOphkklDDLEyhg7Dorvm0zathn1pNWUCTsodDHQA6DNvLqugFfUYUWRm5YRDRZiZddbZrVpucvMHW9MCW66Ze6LEzfoQ8w6lGoPt4ne1QgIBCoh6HWU%2FLyw%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6aqoebmZw

That one has been ended by the seller last night. I wonder if in reaction to a tip off that it is a fake or because some mug bought it?

Thanks guys, very informative 🙂

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/366523954473?_skw=penny+coin&itmmeta=01KWT6YZX5NPV22P77BGXJ3S6Y&hash=item555687b529:g:pooAAeSwjKBqSnaA&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA8GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBASzf36AG%2FSFZbX1%2F6hahtC%2Bi8QV4cUdcZa%2FrNt4ydMMjXQzvEFKhp6doJPQlxHhjucZAeE0NbtoAPnfMT%2FlYvIZFG8rHXvGDpsr3UmhuIxPZfl7CQFYLN4gGW2Focz0c2dxlnNpsuJRD1ek7gxiAZq%2BRNI1DyDt3vvv1WwXwYYTZQBsSAWd0Z97B1tuFgjMwimhLUQXuZ9lFNi22hJBYQvBE50h0LmG3SRREbKFDGvefubcgliCBLQcH7MQa64Vuu8K%2FhYTOKAoywFUu8ePZpOUFXEopUvJNEbwt9QO77PQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4j_-8bmZw 1827 Penny 👎

It's a bit confusing as the so-called 'single line' actually isn't - it's double but the lines are so close together it appears single, unless you view it through a magnifier

On the plus side, a lot of the flan issues were ironed out during the decimal patterns by using various metal mixes and flan thicknesses. The presence of almost consistent flan lamination for certain varieties suggests an attempt to standardise minting conditions, more importantly on a series which didn't circulate. The engraving wasn't particularly divergent from the normal currency issues, but the minor fiddling with mixes and also presumably striking forces for the mixes will have helped immensely in arriving at the ideal.

Rev

And here a penny of Berwick, class Blunt 4a, Withers 5a, pellet on breast and unusual crescent shaped hair. Slightly unusual portrait, any thoughts? Jerry

And the reverse;

Here are a couple of pennies from the Minster Auction Stu references elsewhere. The first I think is a class 2, though I am unsure which. It has particularly long side fleurs, wedge shaped contraction marks and reversed ‘N’s and I think that the ‘N’ in ‘DNS’ is double barred.

Thanks! Some of these I've seen before and some are new to me. Interesting lots. And somewhat silly prices but , .. happy for the vendor!

Got the date wrong too. It's an 1862

Your picture is too blurred for comment but here are my own pictures from my website: Single exergue with waves almost touching the line and double exergue with waves clear of the line.

Oh, and this penny apparently has “the profile of a British lady “ on the reverse. Don’t you just love A.I. ! Jerry

I wasn’t sure where to post this Ebay offering, there are so many choices! Unknown grading company, “Tudor Coingrading Company” being sold by Ebay seller “Tudor Coins”, coin in slab is the wrong date for the label and is allegedly AU58 when it appears to be less than VF with issues. And the text suggests it is ANACS MS60. What on earth is going on here? At what point does this behaviour become criminal? Newcomers risk being massively discouraged from numismatics by this sort of behaviour. Jerry https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/366523800496?_skw=penny&itmmeta=01KWS90R0MAB465J91RGTC7ZZP&hash=item5556855bb0:g:fIoAAeSwQc1qSmCR&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA4GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBLz4j3XZU8mu0Cbb350VpikZtwzj2aSPlSW6rXS%2FSfOsy%2BT4Ap8HEAjjQPj2k2UzKpJPM8aWVDGH2ye9B%2BllFbJY%2FOIjKs%2BhMROYbbwpmrVo2%2Fc7TxtZ0O19hf9q%2FRmtSvgwwyHs%2BQUeGWm%2FMNSsaU8oBzY%2BIKGudScPNku484P%2FvgfOqq2A6PRVapzoCzOCan8QTkUiKwDLWemfpSHUo52xJJfB50mxvDPXO7POvj%2BELG0GR2dz%2B71gTZ5p1NvYwwidD71Iyv6g8aTZVZpBME|tkp%3ABk9SR_iAg6nmZw

That’s great, Jerry, many thanks for the offer, I’ll take you up on that next time! I can always reciprocate for The Cotswold, Harper Field (Stroud), and occasional Clevedon Salerooms, if you ever spot anything ☺️ Best, Stuart

from Numista:

Freeman estimated they were about 1 in 20 - i.e. 5% - based on his enormous survey of circulating coins in the 60s. Good luck with getting a high grade - I bought one from Colin Cooke in the 90s, he told me then that top grades of it are rare.