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[The Bee]

Many thanks to Jerry, Terry, and Richard, for confirming its F78 the ribbons are close together 

Anyway I am very pleased with it. If it had been identified as "ja" reverse then it would have been well out of my reach. Given the prices pennies go for it is probably the only "ja" I will own

Incidentally it was one of the lots sold very recently a part of the John Hill collection by Gorringes, who I've bought the odd newspaper from occasionally .. but this was the first time bidding with them on coins. 

(I'd originally aimed to try to upgrade either of my 1864 pennies !)

Very Best Regards 

 

[alfnail]

10 hours ago, jelida said:

I think that actually might be an F78, it has the narrower gap between the ribbons, the gap is wider on an F72. But one of the best that I’ve seen.

Do you agree Richard?

Jerry

That was my immediate thought too Jerry. I sold an F78 in similar grade to Mike Hopkins several years ago; still haven't seen any of the coins I passed to him come up for sale anywhere.....and his heirs never contacted me to confirm that his collection has been found.

[PWA 1967]

On 5/22/2025 at 4:26 PM, The Bee said:

Many thanks Richard for confirming, even with the website and "The British Bronze Penny", this is one that still confuses me.

It is a 1874 with the description " j " and I thought it might be a "ja" 

Very Best Regards 

Thats a really good example and good buy, Hat Off 😀👍.

[terrysoldpennies]

I thought I'd share a couple of rather nice rare finds .

Both the rare 1913 mules.      F175  below

      

    

[terrysoldpennies]

F176

 

[Paddy]

I saw the conversation under "Wanted" about 1865 and 1867 pennies, and decided to check mine. I don't think I need to upgrade any time soon.

The likely costs were a surprise to me. I have had these a long time and have no idea what I paid for them - I would appreciate some idea of current market value?

The 1865:

[Paddy]

... and the 1867. Shame about the gash on Britannia's leg, but otherwise pretty decent:

[blakeyboy]

On 5/25/2025 at 1:27 PM, terrysoldpennies said:

F176

 

Funny how the reverse has virtually no edge- I have a feeling that some of my 1909's are like that- what's the explanation?

Sorry if it's been discussed at length before, but I can't remember.....

 

Is it time for my walk now?

[Paddy]

11 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

Funny how the reverse has virtually no edge- I have a feeling that some of my 1909's are like that- what's the explanation?

Sorry if it's been discussed at length before, but I can't remember.....

 

Is it time for my walk now?

Yes, it is noticeable how much narrower the edge is. Checking back through mine, it seems to be the same for all the Reverse A (Freeman) GV pennies?

[terrysoldpennies]

10 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

Funny how the reverse has virtually no edge

Maybe that's why they changed from the F174 with It's uneven pressing between the two sides to the F177.  They were trying to eliminate the ghosting at this time , and its possibly premature ware affecting the reverse side on early types caused by the week low rim that brought about the change. ?

[martinross44]

1 hour ago, Paddy said:

... and the 1867. Shame about the gash on Britannia's leg, but otherwise pretty decent:

If it helps, there is a lovely 1866 on ebay via auction at the moment that will be ending soon. I think it will be popular and far too expensive for me! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326585667923

[The Bee]

This is my 1849 Farthing which I bought a while back (just arrived today). Its a new date and I realistically it completes my Queen Victoria date run for Farthings (Copper and Bronze).

Only upgrades and possibly varieties to add when I can spot them .. 

Also my "okay" 1867 Penny (I have far worse in my date run !) . Not intending to upgrade this one  

Very Best Regards

[copper123]

1849 is a tough year esp in nice grade there again so are 1844, 1851 ,1852 and 1859 funny enough even though the last only circulated for 9 years.

 

[The Bee]

41 minutes ago, copper123 said:

1849 is a tough year esp in nice grade there again so are 1844, 1851 ,1852 and 1859 funny enough even though the last only circulated for 9 years

Many thanks copper123. Its circulated and a bit worn, but I'm pleased with the 1849, as I am with 1844 (previously shared), 1851, and 1859, but my sole 1852 in the tray will need upgrading

I wondered if there is something under the 4 in 1849 ?

There is something sticking out under the foot of the 4, which should be blank I think.

Of less interest, I also spotted a repair to the A in GRATIA (A next to A) which someone has kindly pointed out with the ding !

Very Best Regards

[The Bee]

Last but not least (I think) another circulated 1905 Penny with the smaller 0. An upgrade on my previous circulated example !

 

[terrysoldpennies]

Sorry but I don't think that's the small 0 date type .

Top ones the small 0  F160

middle normal F160

bottom F161

[The Bee]

8 hours ago, terrysoldpennies said:

Sorry but I don't think that's the small 0 date type .

Bother ! Many thanks Terry, I thought I'd managed to upgrade my current small date 1905 - I'll have to try again 

Very Best Regards

 

[secret santa]

Yes, the bottom of the smaller 0 is level with the 1 but the larger 0 is below the 1.

[copper123]

Heres my 1852 farthing it's that nice i suspect it will never be upgraded

[The Bee]

1 hour ago, copper123 said:

Heres my 1852 farthing it's that nice i suspect it will never be upgraded

Lovely 1852 Farthing copper123, you've set the bar very high !

Very Best Regards

[copper123]

well I had been after a really nice one for ages and it came up on the bay for a half reasonable price so i treated myself 

The two rarest coins in the copper / bronze victorian period are in my opinion 

1851 d over sideways d

and 1862 fat 8 this ties with freeman 530 as well for rarity.

I have a fat 8 but it only grades good fine

[Peckris 2]

On 5/27/2025 at 9:59 AM, terrysoldpennies said:

Maybe that's why they changed from the F174 with It's uneven pressing between the two sides to the F177.  They were trying to eliminate the ghosting at this time , and its possibly premature ware affecting the reverse side on early types caused by the week low rim that brought about the change. ?

Yes - the Edward obverse was flatter and didn't cause ghosting to the same extent; but the savage ghosting on 1911 and 1912 reverses must have caused them to redesign.

[The Bee]

12 hours ago, copper123 said:

well I had been after a really nice one for ages and it came up on the bay for a half reasonable price so i treated myself 

The two rarest coins in the copper / bronze victorian period are in my opinion 

1851 d over sideways d

and 1862 fat 8 this ties with freeman 530 as well for rarity.

I have a fat 8 but it only grades good fine

I'll need to have for look at a picture of the 1851 d over d sideways (have an E over E sideways on a Half Farthing but not seen a D over D )

Think I might have the fat 8. Have a T over T (from Britt) on the way (all being well)

And my most unusual so far would be my 1892, "possible" 2 next to 2 in the date.

I would need to find another better example to confirm, not seen another so far, but then again its only been just over a year.

Very Best Regards

    

[alfnail]

Shall we set up a 'More Farthings' thread!?

Here is a penny which I found last week:-

 

[terrysoldpennies]

39 minutes ago, The Bee said:

I'll need to have for look at a picture of the 1851 d over d sideways (have an E over E sideways on a Half Farthing but not seen a D over D )