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[PWA 1967]

7 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Is it just me who thinks that's not a bad job of removing the crud from the farthing? 

Thats the problem Jon ,they have done a good job BUT then hidden the cleaning by dipping it.

[mick1271]

7 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Is it just me who thinks that's not a bad job of removing the crud from the farthing? 

I think they have done a decent job too .It might look worse in natural light though .

[Coinery]

On 1/10/2023 at 11:18 PM, Rob said:

Here you go. A penny, albeit silver and hammered, but a decent provenance. Six quid in Cuff.

J D Cuff 1041, Sotheby 8/6/1854

E Wigan, collection bought Rollin & Feuardent 1872

H Webb 309, Sotheby 9/7/1894

H Clark 155, Sotheby 23/5/1898

A A Banes 57, Sotheby 30/10/1922

E H Wheeler 342, Sotheby 12/3/1930

C Corbally Browne 409, Sotheby 25/3/1935

W L Raynes 473, Glendining 15/2/1950

Spink 6, lot 589, 10/10/1979

R D Shuttlewood 301, Spink 15/3/2001

C Comber

I don’t think I’ve even seen one of these before, a stunning example, right up there I should think? Whatever happened to Mary’s bust, that she had Diana/Kate grace in her premarital coinage, only to morph into a troll following her marriage to Philip a year later?

[PWA 1967]

31 minutes ago, mick1271 said:

I think they have done a decent job too .It might look worse in natural light though .

No thats exactly how it looks Mick ,as i mentioned if someone wants to buy them dipped because they think they look good ,thats entirely up to them.

Just a shame maybe if they didnt know that when they come to sell them they dont get as much.

[secret santa]

On a different subject, I have been studying the obverse 4 missing leaf types where all the examples that I've seen bear slight traces of the "missing" leaf and a weakened linear circle above the missing leaf. The example in Michael Gouby's book, however, shows a complete linear circle:

However, close examination suggests that these 2 pictures are of the same coin - compare the shading and the dark spot on the right hand side. Perhaps the 2nd picture was doctored (definitely not by Michael) to illustrate what the missing leaf might look like. Michael agrees with me and intends to include a different picture in any future updates to his book.

I therefore think that the genuine missing leaf types look like this, with weakened linear circle:

Which is probably what would be expected from a partially filled die in that area of the coin.

Edited January 26, 2023 by secret santa
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[Coinery]

4 hours ago, secret santa said:

On a different subject, I have been studying the obverse 4 missing leaf types where all the examples that I've seen bear slight traces of the "missing" leaf and a weakened linear circle above the missing leaf. The example in Michael Gouby's book, however, shows a complete linear circle:

However, close examination suggests that these 2 pictures are of the same coin - compare the shading and the dark spot on the right hand side. Perhaps the 2nd picture was doctored (definitely not by Michael) to illustrate what the missing leaf might look like. Michael agrees with me and intends to include a different picture in any future updates to his book.

I therefore think that the genuine missing leaf types look like this, with weakened linear circle:

Which is probably what would be expected from a partially filled die in that area of the coin.

Looking at the highlights I’d say it’s not only the same coin, but even the same photo used for both examples!

[Peckris 2]

8 hours ago, secret santa said:

On a different subject, I have been studying the obverse 4 missing leaf types where all the examples that I've seen bear slight traces of the "missing" leaf and a weakened linear circle above the missing leaf. The example in Michael Gouby's book, however, shows a complete linear circle:

However, close examination suggests that these 2 pictures are of the same coin - compare the shading and the dark spot on the right hand side. Perhaps the 2nd picture was doctored (definitely not by Michael) to illustrate what the missing leaf might look like. Michael agrees with me and intends to include a different picture in any future updates to his book.

I therefore think that the genuine missing leaf types look like this, with weakened linear circle:

Which is probably what would be expected from a partially filled die in that area of the coin.

well spotted.

[DrLarry]

Could you please tell me.... this is Obverse VI F with reverse VI f ? 

 

If this the only obverse that has this missing leaf in that position?  I ask because I have three examples where the leaf is either missing or weak on other obverse types 

Edited January 27, 2023 by DrLarry

[secret santa]

13 minutes ago, DrLarry said:

Could you please tell me.... this is Obverse VI F with reverse VI f ? 

It is obverse 4 (Gouby F) and the pictured coins are F24 - Freeman 4+F (Gouby F+f), but the same missing leaf has been seen on (2) specimens of F22 (Freeman 4+D; Gouby F+d).

(no-one uses roman numerals to identify obverse types)

[DrLarry]

38 minutes ago, secret santa said:

It is obverse 4 (Gouby F) and the pictured coins are F24 - Freeman 4+F (Gouby F+f), but the same missing leaf has been seen on (2) specimens of F22 (Freeman 4+D; Gouby F+d).

(no-one uses roman numerals to identify obverse types)

ok thank you I find nomenclature in all these varieties (especially 1861) a little difficult (still I suppose I should be careful! admitting that on here ) 

Edited January 27, 2023 by DrLarry

[DrLarry]

Coin A 1861 

1861  B the leaf is half lost or is this simply wear?

1861  C   this one I only have this image as it has not been delivered yet 

Edited January 27, 2023 by DrLarry

[DrLarry]

I also would like your advise on this Heaton 1881 .   I  was wondering if this is unusual to you experts ?  The H is very high into the date...I have never seen this referenced anywhere but please let me know your thoughts.  I thought at first it was a BP 1881 Hb the highest I have seen it is in BP 1882 Ma ...thank you 

Edited January 27, 2023 by DrLarry

[terrysoldpennies]

I think the H must have been added seperatelly to each working die as I have found 1881 coins with it positioned all over the place.

[DrLarry]

2 hours ago, terrysoldpennies said:

I think the H must have been added seperatelly to each working die as I have found 1881 coins with it positioned all over the place.

Thank you I Thought that might be the case but wanted to check ...

[DrLarry]

On 1/27/2023 at 10:59 AM, DrLarry said:

Coin A 1861 

1861  B the leaf is half lost or is this simply wear?

1861  C   this one I only have this image as it has not been delivered yet 

well whatever these are the inner circle is intact 

[1949threepence]

This company (Cambridgeshire Coins) is so careless and let an 1862 F38 go for just £4.00 !!!

Admittedly not in brilliant condition, but a bargain nonetheless. 

Previously they let an 1897 high tide penny in GEF with lustre, go for about £45 - missed that.

The site is worth regularly checking for bargains. 

link

 

[Martinminerva]

Well spotted! Was this recently or a while ago? I take it you got it?

I spotted and "bought" the 1897 HT some time ago, but it never arrived and they refunded me without question or delay. I think they realised their mistake...

Edited February 17, 2023 by Martinminerva

[secret santa]

10 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

The site is worth regularly checking for bargains. 

But you have to have a lot of time and patience to trawl through them !

[1949threepence]

1 hour ago, Martinminerva said:

Well spotted! Was this recently or a while ago? I take it you got it?

I spotted and "bought" the 1897 HT some time ago, but it never arrived and they refunded me without question or delay. I think they realised their mistake...

No, I didn't get it, and apologies because my post above doesn't make that clear. I just happened to notice, amongst all the other crap looking 1862 pennies, that one had sold, and I wondered why. Didn't take long to find out !  

Sorry you didn't get the 1897 HT. Another example of wondering why that specific coin had "sold". Although from what you say, it sounds as though some funny business was going on. Maybe somebody alerted them as to what it was, just as you bought it off the website. I know I felt disappointed that someone had "beaten me to it", as it was in the days before I'd got one, although the point is moot as you were unsuccessful.

The only bargain I managed to nab from there, before it went elsewhere, was a very decent Bramah 26a (no serifs to the I of Britannia)   

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

But you have to have a lot of time and patience to trawl through them !

You certainly do, especially as the photography is quite dark and you have to open up each one to take a proper "confirmatory" look.  

[alfnail]

Again unimpressed with Noonans penny descriptions:-

Coins and Historical Medals (4 & 5 April 2023): Lot 499 | Noonans Mayfair

 

[secret santa]

I have emailed them to correct this description and also the F24 missing leaf described as reverse D. Lot 497 also looks deeply suspicious - 1841 no colon proof ???

[1949threepence]

45 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I have emailed them to correct this description and also the F24 missing leaf described as reverse D. Lot 497 also looks deeply suspicious - 1841 no colon proof ???

Just doesn't look right for a proof does it - the breasts look worn away for a start, and really nothing to distinguish even an impaired proof of this date, from a currency strike, as far as I know. I still maintain that NGC are just taking the grading applicant's word and not checking them out independently.

The Noonan's missing leaf F24 description is laughable. As you say they put reverse D instead of F and didn't even bother at all with a Freeman No !

As for the 1858 large rose "small date", the date is misattributed so often. 

 

[Rob]

Apart from stating obvious, which is a piece of c**p and fit for ebay, what is it? It isn't an F33 as it came marked. I think I'm happy it's obverse F with the signature below, but is it reverse d or f? TIA.

 

[secret santa]

My money's on reverse D - from the rocks either side of the lighthouse. And the remains of the W of LCW.

[Rob]

Thanks. I thought the date alignment matched the image in Gouby rather well for rev.f

Edited March 14, 2023 by Rob