martinross44 Posted yesterday at 08:38 AM Posted yesterday at 08:38 AM 1863 Penny. Tell me I'm not seeing things.... Quote
Coys55 Posted yesterday at 12:13 PM Posted yesterday at 12:13 PM 3 hours ago, martinross44 said: 1863 Penny. Tell me I'm not seeing things.... I'm not entirely sure what you are seeing, but it's not an H if that's what think it is. Or the face of Jesus either. Quote
Citizen H Posted yesterday at 12:21 PM Posted yesterday at 12:21 PM errrrmmmmmm? found this'un and in the spirit of thing with the penny interest (although I'm not 🤷♂️) I thought id show you all... its not my interest but may float someone's boat... not sure if its a wonky 6 or misshaped 2 ???? or whatever I'm supposed to be looking out for?!?!??! Victorian Penny 1862 👍 Quote
martinross44 Posted yesterday at 12:25 PM Posted yesterday at 12:25 PM 12 minutes ago, Coys55 said: I'm not entirely sure what you are seeing, but it's not an H if that's what think it is. Or the face of Jesus either. Die number 5 Quote
Coys55 Posted yesterday at 12:44 PM Posted yesterday at 12:44 PM 12 minutes ago, martinross44 said: Die number 5 Ah, sorry. I don't think it's a 5 either TBH. Quote
martinross44 Posted yesterday at 12:45 PM Posted yesterday at 12:45 PM Just now, Coys55 said: Ah, sorry. I don't think it's a 5 either TBH. It is much clearer on the original photograph, however I had to reduce it to very low res to get it passed the 500kb max image size! Quote
Martinminerva Posted yesterday at 01:09 PM Posted yesterday at 01:09 PM (edited) 4 hours ago, martinross44 said: Tell me I'm not seeing things.... You're seeing things. Another classic case of pareidolia, methinks. On a genuine die 5, the die number is much larger than your "blob" and also slightly to the right of a border tooth. Your anomaly is to the left... See below: Edited yesterday at 01:22 PM by Martinminerva Extra pictures added Quote
martinross44 Posted yesterday at 01:14 PM Posted yesterday at 01:14 PM 4 minutes ago, Martinminerva said: You're seeing things. Another classic case of pareidolia, methinks. On a genuine die 5, the die number is much larger than your "blob" and also slightly to the right of a border tooth. Your anomaly is to the left... See below: Appreciate your thoughts and feedback Quote
Coys55 Posted yesterday at 02:06 PM Posted yesterday at 02:06 PM 1 hour ago, martinross44 said: It is much clearer on the original photograph, however I had to reduce it to very low res to get it passed the 500kb max image size! Can you crop the original photo to the area of interest and then compress the smaller area to 500kb if necessary? The freeware irfanview will do the job very well. Quote
martinross44 Posted yesterday at 03:00 PM Posted yesterday at 03:00 PM 53 minutes ago, Coys55 said: Can you crop the original photo to the area of interest and then compress the smaller area to 500kb if necessary? The freeware irfanview will do the job very well. This is a cropped image already, taken from a digital microscope and compressed via tinyfy. Which apparently makes it look like I took the photo with a potato. Quote
Coinery Posted yesterday at 03:31 PM Posted yesterday at 03:31 PM It really is a shame not to see clearer images, it does look 5-like. I do draw caution however from the fact that I can just as easily see an inverted A below the 8. Crystal images are an absolute must in these cases. Quote
secret santa Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Exciting news ! Terry Eagleton has just pointed out to me that a 1926 penny was sold at London Coin auction in 2025 described as a F195 Modified Effigy but is, in fact, only the second ever "recorded" instance of the rare Gouby D+d Mule, i.e a coin with the Modified Effigy obverse but the true 1927 reverse. Obviously it was not recorded by LCA, but it is indeed the second known example. The first example was discovered by Michael Freeman and bought by me. If anyone on the Forum bought this coin. I would love to know more. Auction 190, lot 2174. Quote
Martinminerva Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) Hi Richard. I saw it at the time and was considering putting a bid in but concluded it was a doctored specimen: the 6 on the LCA specimen is surrounded by lighter coloured metal consistent with it having been transplanted from another coin onto an original 1927 coin. Quite apart from that, it would have to be a different die too as on your ex-Freeman one, the 6 is over a gap between teeth and rotated slightly clockwise, whereas on the LCA one, the 6 is bolt upright and over a tooth. I can't believe two trial dies were produced striking one coin each! Happy to be proved wrong if anyone here did buy it and microscopy eliminates my suspicions... Edited 2 hours ago by Martinminerva Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Fu 55 minutes ago, Martinminerva said: Hi Richard. I saw it at the time and was considering putting a bid in but concluded it was a doctored specimen: the 6 on the LCA specimen is surrounded by lighter coloured metal consistent with it having been transplanted from another coin onto an original 1927 coin. Quite apart from that, it would have to be a different die too as on your ex-Freeman one, the 6 is over a gap between teeth and rotated slightly clockwise, whereas on the LCA one, the 6 is bolt upright and over a tooth. I can't believe two trial dies were produced striking one coin each! Happy to be proved wrong if anyone here did buy it and microscopy eliminates my suspicions... Funnily Enough I sent a message to Richard at exactly the same time as you posted here Martin saying exactly the same thing, but that because both ME coins have the small Britanniar neither coin could have been modified post Mint as this obverse and reverse had never been present together on any other year penny , So therefore both must be Experimental dies from the Mint Quote
Martinminerva Posted 53 minutes ago Posted 53 minutes ago I see what you mean, Terry. How curious... Would they really have made two dies for this experiment?? Just to add another spanner in things, here's a picture of a normal (albeit missing waves) 1931 reverse (from Richard's site) which also seems to have the smaller Britannia, longer teeth, thinner thumb, bigger gap from trident to teeth etc such as Richard has identified for these trial pieces. Are there actually BOTH subtly different Gouby reverse d's known for all dates 1927 to 1936, perhaps as a result of hubbing variations, and so this could after all be a doctored 1927 piece???? Or is it just for 1931? I'm going to have to trawl through all my GV pennies later!! If anyone on the forum did buy it, PLEASE have a good look at it through a microscope! Quote
secret santa Posted 51 minutes ago Posted 51 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Martinminerva said: I can't believe two trial dies were produced striking one coin each! I can believe that more than one trial die was produced while they were considering the final design of the 1927 reverse and it's possible that several coins were struck from the new dies with strict instructions that they never leave the Mint - but they did ! Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted 21 minutes ago Posted 21 minutes ago 23 minutes ago, secret santa said: I can believe that more than one trial die was produced while they were considering the final design of the 1927 reverse and it's possible that several coins were struck from the new dies with strict instructions that they never leave the Mint - but they did ! It might have been that two or more Working dies were struck with just the 192 with the last digit 6 being stamped on separately before use . Quote
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