jacinbox Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Does not seem to be much happening on the forum recently.One that is toned which normally i would keep away from as its really dark and the photo not the best.IMO is a nice even tone and a nice strike.1861 F22 4+D and again c.g.s. 4231Pete.Pretty rare coin in top grade but it can catapult to an extreme rarity if the fishtail is messed with. The photos are not so clear but worth checking Pete.Well done you Quote
PWA 1967 Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Thanks jac,i dont keep the coins here so will have a look next time i get chance. Quote
jelida Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Hi all,two new Ebay purchases in the post this morning for your delectation (or otherwise);Firstly a rather nice 1867 with plenty of lustre, very nice in the hand. £130 And secondly, I hope, an F21 1861 penny. Somebody else rated it too, as it shot up from twenty quid to £410 in the final seconds. R18 in Freeman.JerryPS looking forward to the 'Midland' on Sunday Quote
Coinery Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 On fire Jerry! Enjoy the fair...pass on my regards to Rob! Make sure you've got plenty of time on your hands as Rob is a walking numismatic encyclopedia. Which means, unless you're bent double with a library on your back, he's very difficult to counter! Quote
Bernie Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 The 1867 penny was a brilliant Buy, but the 1861 penny pictured is a Freeman 29, dies obverse 6 with reverse D, not Freeman 21. Quote
Coinery Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 I do believe the bronze penny is enjoying something of a comeback on here recently! Quote
Rob Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 On fire Jerry! Enjoy the fair...pass on my regards to Rob! Make sure you've got plenty of time on your hands as Rob is a walking numismatic encyclopedia. Which means, unless you're bent double with a library on your back, he's very difficult to counter! Rob won't be there.I've been told I'm having a short break. Didn't see that coming. Quote
Peter Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 The 1867 penny was a brilliant Buy, but the 1861 penny pictured is a Freeman 29, dies obverse 6 with reverse D, not Freeman 21.OOOOPS Quote
Coinery Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 On fire Jerry! Enjoy the fair...pass on my regards to Rob! Make sure you've got plenty of time on your hands as Rob is a walking numismatic encyclopedia. Which means, unless you're bent double with a library on your back, he's very difficult to counter! Rob won't be there.I've been told I'm having a short break. Didn't see that coming.Enjoy the break! Can't be all bad if she-in-doors is arranging it? Quote
jelida Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Not obverse 6, has L C Wyon on bust; better look again!Obverse 3 Rev DJerry Quote
jelida Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Though I agree doesnt show on the scan, strangely! Will post a pic in a mo. Quote
jelida Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 I put the wrong obverse on! What an a*se I am, in a hurry to get to Quiz night at the pub! (did awfully).Anyhow, lets try again. F21 I hope this time;Jerry Quote
jelida Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Within the last couple of weeks, but from overseas.Jerry Quote
Bernie Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 I had a feeling that you featured the wrong picture, that is why I said "the penny pictured" indicated it was a Freeman 29.Very nice coin... Well done ! Quote
jelida Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Thanks, Bernie. Out of interest, the reverse die used on this coin is extremely worn, with little fine detail remaining, as was one shown by Dave (Azda) on this forum several years ago. I wonder whether the die was declared 'unfit for purpose' fairly early in its use in this pairing, hence the rarity? Have any members seen this combination with a 'crisp' reverse die?Jerry Quote
Bernie Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Thanks, Bernie. Out of interest, the reverse die used on this coin is extremely worn, with little fine detail remaining, as was one shown by Dave (Azda) on this forum several years ago. I wonder whether the die was declared 'unfit for purpose' fairly early in its use in this pairing, hence the rarity? Have any members seen this combination with a 'crisp' reverse die?Jerry There were two slightly different reverse D die designs. From what I have seen, most 1861 3+D pennies were struck with the one of the two reverse D die designs that have no curved line rising up from the exergual line to the shield. The D Dies without this line tended to give a weaker looking strike. This applies to 1860 pennies also. One of the best 1861 3+D reverse pictures that I have has the curved line, I will try to attach. I will also try to attach a picture of the reverse D without the curved line. Your coin appears to be the type without the curved line. Quote
Bernie Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Reverse D with Curved line rising to side of shield. Quote
jelida Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Thanks Bernie, fascinating, never knew that, now I'm going to have to look for Reverse d varieties! At least not too expensive. I've got a long way to go to be a 'real' Penny expert.Jerry Quote
Peter Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Your own discoveries plus the info on this forum and you are an expert. Quote
Michael-Roo Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Great obverse ghosting in the reverse field too. I love that. Quote
Mr T Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 There were two slightly different reverse D die designs. From what I have seen, most 1861 3+D pennies were struck with the one of the two reverse D die designs that have no curved line rising up from the exergual line to the shield. The D Dies without this line tended to give a weaker looking strike. This applies to 1860 pennies also. One of the best 1861 3+D reverse pictures that I have has the curved line, I will try to attach. I will also try to attach a picture of the reverse D without the curved line. Your coin appears to be the type without the curved line.Quite by chance I came across this article (the last article - fifth page from the bottom): http://www.britnumsoc.org/publications/Digital%20BNJ/pdfs/2006_BNJ_76_2_7.pdfIt discusses a few varieties of reverse D. 1 Quote
jelida Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Thanks Mr T, that's one I'm keeping for reference!Jerry 1 Quote
jacinbox Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 Something is very unusual about this coin. Can you spot it?http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29ynl8n&s=8#.VcyDdfnfCww Quote
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