Ebay's Worst Offerings

[Peter]

I just wouldn't be interested in a holed/plugged coin.

£10 would be too much

[Rob]

Ok, not exactly a laugh, more trying to compute the Price difference and grade. Both coins are the same but with an 800 Pound Price difference and a half grade (apparently)

What i'm trying to work out, does a plugged hole really drop the grade so far, is the 1st really an AEF, to me both are the same grade. Comments, and which would you buy if you had to choose between the two?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350814885653?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D350814885653%26_rdc%3D1

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130954651547?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D130954651547%26_rdc%3D1

His is higher grade, yours is better struck up but worn and with a big hole. Yes, a plug will drop the desirability a lot. Both are overpriced and I wouldn't want either because S2985s aren't that rare. You could find a problem free VF or so within a year if you wanted one. The provenance of John's coin will help offset the flat bits.

[Rob]

We are also comparing chalk and cheese here because the reverses are different on the two coins. His is reverse 1 which is only found with two obverse dies A & B. Yours is reverse 2 which is found paired with B, C, D, E & F and additionally is 1644 6d reverse die 1. Clearly yours was the longer lived die. Thinking out loud, the obverse A die may have been taken away from Oxford and used elsewhere after recutting (W/SA, Bristol or Exeter?) because the lifetime of the small dies is considerably longer than larger ones. The fact that yours is also a 6d die could date an emergency provision to replace reverse 1?

[Coinery]

I just wouldn't be interested in a holed/plugged coin.

£10 would be too much

With Peter, here! Dave's is an infinitely more pleasing coin to look at, but I'd go for the other one every time! Not at that price however!

I do like the C1 groats, an under-collected series I'm sure!

Edit: and I probably wouldn't even go for the other one either...too 'unbalanced'!

Edited July 25, 2013 by Coinery

[azda]

If i Buy a coin to sell on i always ask myself if i'd buy it for my own collection and obviously the answer to that question was yes. Holed or not i still think it's a nice coin to Look at but take onboard everything said.

[Gary D]

Not so much a laugh but this crown just doesn't look good enough for a coin that would have had great care taken over its minting.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1934-GEORGE-V-SILVER-CROWN-/221259086536?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item338411bac8

[Peckris]

Not so much a laugh but this crown just doesn't look good enough for a coin that would have had great care taken over its minting.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1934-GEORGE-V-SILVER-CROWN-/221259086536?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item338411bac8

The reverse especially has a kind of 'cast' look to it.

[Gary D]

Not so much a laugh but this crown just doesn't look good enough for a coin that would have had great care taken over its minting.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1934-GEORGE-V-SILVER-CROWN-/221259086536?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item338411bac8

The reverse especially has a kind of 'cast' look to it.

Looking at is closer the reverse looks to have the detached beads along the lower quarter. Could it be the Chinese one after a bit of a clean up......or another one.

[Sword]

I wonder if this person has been posted here before?

George VI 1937 Matt proof crown FDC from someone with "50 years of experience as a dealer / collector"

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crown-George-VI-1937-Matt-Proof-FDC-Mint-/370854018265?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item56589f3cd9

Have a look at his ebay "shop" for plenty more examples.

[Paulus]

I think this is one of Azda's favourite sellers!

[Sword]

I think this is one of Azda's favourite sellers!

I thought he must have been noticed in the past but such an extraordinary dealer can do with another mention...

[azda]

Yes this guy has definately lost the plot, he even broke Rob.

[declanwmagee]

He's sold one coin since April...

If that was my business I'd be pretty sure I was doing something wrong.

[DaveG38]

When it comes to grading, I guess he should have gone to Specsavers.

[Rob]

Yes this guy has definately lost the plot, he even broke Rob.

I decided I needed a life. His basic problem is that if a proof is listed in Spink for a type, what he lists is a proof. So here we have a bog standard worn 1937 crown, but it must be a proof and fortunately for this imbecile, a Matt Proof is listed. ipso facto he has an extremely rare matt proof - coz it isn't shiny like the rest of them. Price it a bit higher than the regular proof and you arrive at the listing. Spink apparently has the complete list of coins, so only one 1806 proof halfpenny exists and Peck wasted 10 years of his life writing the book. He said he has been collecting/dealing for 54 years. The last 53 have been wasted.

Edited July 27, 2013 by Rob

[azda]

Yes this guy has definately lost the plot, he even broke Rob.

I decided I needed a life. His basic problem is that if a proof is listed in Spink for a type, what he lists is a proof. So here we have a bog standard worn 1937 crown, but it must be a proof and fortunately for this imbecile, a Matt Proof is listed. ipso facto he has an extremely rare matt proof - coz it isn't shiny like the rest of them. Price it a bit higher than the regular proof and you arrive at the listing. Spink apparently has the complete list of coins, so only one 1806 proof halfpenny exists and Peck wasted 10 years of his life writing the book. He said he has been collecting/dealing for 54 years. The last 53 have been wasted.

The last 53 wasted? I'd say the last 54 were

[Rob]

Yes this guy has definately lost the plot, he even broke Rob.

I decided I needed a life. His basic problem is that if a proof is listed in Spink for a type, what he lists is a proof. So here we have a bog standard worn 1937 crown, but it must be a proof and fortunately for this imbecile, a Matt Proof is listed. ipso facto he has an extremely rare matt proof - coz it isn't shiny like the rest of them. Price it a bit higher than the regular proof and you arrive at the listing. Spink apparently has the complete list of coins, so only one 1806 proof halfpenny exists and Peck wasted 10 years of his life writing the book. He said he has been collecting/dealing for 54 years. The last 53 have been wasted.

The last 53 wasted? I'd say the last 54 were

True, but Peck was first published 53 years ago. Before that, the standard reference for proofs and patterns was Montagu (1893)

[Rob]

I wonder if this person has been posted here before?

George VI 1937 Matt proof crown FDC from someone with "50 years of experience as a dealer / collector"

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crown-George-VI-1937-Matt-Proof-FDC-Mint-/370854018265?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item56589f3cd9

Have a look at his ebay "shop" for plenty more examples.

Such as this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Half-Crown-George-V-1914-aEF-Mint-luster-/370857295604?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item5658d13ef4 aEF - almost an earful (sic)?

Edited July 28, 2013 by Rob

[Sword]

I wonder if this person has been posted here before?

George VI 1937 Matt proof crown FDC from someone with "50 years of experience as a dealer / collector"

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crown-George-VI-1937-Matt-Proof-FDC-Mint-/370854018265?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item56589f3cd9

Have a look at his ebay "shop" for plenty more examples.

Such as this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Half-Crown-George-V-1914-aEF-Mint-luster-/370857295604?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item5658d13ef4 aEF - almost an earful (sic)?

or this one which has got an "earful". http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Half-Crown-George-V-1927-Matt-Proof-FDC-Mint-/370856072443?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item5658be94fb

[Coinery]

I wonder if this person has been posted here before?

George VI 1937 Matt proof crown FDC from someone with "50 years of experience as a dealer / collector"

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crown-George-VI-1937-Matt-Proof-FDC-Mint-/370854018265?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item56589f3cd9

Have a look at his ebay "shop" for plenty more examples.

Such as this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Half-Crown-George-V-1914-aEF-Mint-luster-/370857295604?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item5658d13ef4 aEF - almost an earful (sic)?

or this one which has got an "earful". http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Half-Crown-George-V-1927-Matt-Proof-FDC-Mint-/370856072443?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item5658be94fb

This bloke is surely just trying to impress his mates down the pub? Maybe he borrows money from friends against the future sale of these coins?

He'll need to move soon...coming to a place near you!

[VickySilver]

Wow, and all this time I've been shopping in the wrong place for matte proofs! Could have saved a bundle too, darn...

Hey, its got to be legit, 100% rating to boot.

[bagerap]

These are worth looking at:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Thaler-Restrike-of-European-Hammered-Coin-Dated-1771-/161076727096?pt=UK_Coins_Medals_RL&hash=item2580ebcd38

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=161076825707&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1120

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Thaler-Restrike-of-European-Hammered-Coin-Dated-1785-/161076817015?pt=UK_Coins_Medals_RL&hash=item2580ed2c77

It's all the guy sells. And if you look at his fb, a lot of small dealers are buying. In quantity. They're good enough to fool Joe Public, and we'll be seeing a lot of these being sold for real very soon.

[Paulus]

What do people thing of this? Extreme Shill bidding?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1908-EDWARD-VII-GREAT-BRITAIN-SILVER-HALFCROWN-HALF-CROWN-COIN-PCGS-MS64-/360699556860?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=lwoW94bIzNFaHgBs%252BW1cUSuae4I%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

[Peckris]

What do people thing of this? Extreme Shill bidding?

This is what I don't understand about eBay. Here you have:

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:39:55 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:39:12 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:25:11 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:22:57 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:22:37 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:03:25 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:01:15 BST

e***r £850.00 28-Jul-13 20:00:04 BST

Now, e***r has an unsuccessful bid of £850 at 8 PM. In the next 39 minutes he (or someone) seems to have had seven attempts to outbid j***e. Yet there aren't seven increments of £5 between £850 and £870!! How do you explain that?

On the coin itself, I wouldn't rate it as a £870 example. The hair detail of the strike just isn't strong enough, though it's good in all other respects.

[Nick]

What do people thing of this? Extreme Shill bidding?

This is what I don't understand about eBay. Here you have:

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:39:55 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:39:12 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:25:11 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:22:57 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:22:37 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:03:25 BST

j***e £870.00 28-Jul-13 20:01:15 BST

e***r £850.00 28-Jul-13 20:00:04 BST

Now, e***r has an unsuccessful bid of £850 at 8 PM. In the next 39 minutes he (or someone) seems to have had seven attempts to outbid j***e. Yet there aren't seven increments of £5 between £850 and £870!! How do you explain that?

On the coin itself, I wouldn't rate it as a £870 example. The hair detail of the strike just isn't strong enough, though it's good in all other respects.

Nobody has tried to outbid j***e, the additional seven bids were all made by j***e, probably to ensure a bit of headroom to cover any last minute bids.