Hussulo Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 1920 Florin BU MS63 George V I have heard of over grading coins ,but come on! Quote
DaveG38 Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Yes, but it went for only $2.76, so nobody was really fooled this time. How could they be with a photo like that?DaveG38 Quote
Red Riley Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 I have heard of over grading coins ,but come on! Quote
TomGoodheart Posted August 10, 2007 Posted August 10, 2007 How odd it looks so like a Restrike Proof 1807 Halfpenny. But then those NGC people know so much more about British coins than I do, I must be wrong. Silly me.. Quote
scottishmoney Posted August 10, 2007 Posted August 10, 2007 But then those NGC people know so much more about British coins than I do, I must be wrong. Silly me..And do pray tell, what do Ninnies Grading Cr@p know anything of grading numismatic items more than thee? Quote
TomGoodheart Posted August 10, 2007 Posted August 10, 2007 (edited) Err ......Oh yeah! They know how to get them in those little plastic boxes of course! Edited August 10, 2007 by TomGoodheart Quote
Rob Posted August 10, 2007 Posted August 10, 2007 (edited) I think it is probably significant that of the approximately 80 coins I have acquired in slabs, nearly a quarter have been either wrongly attributed or I've had a severe problem with the grade claimed. Of these, all bar 3 or 4 have been NGC, who seem to have a near monopoly on misattribution. Edited August 10, 2007 by Rob Quote
Geordie582 Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 I've always asked - Who grades the graders in these comercial companies? Quote
Emperor Oli Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 I've always asked - Who grades the graders in these comercial companies? The experts of course! Quote
scottishmoney Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 I've always asked - Who grades the graders in these comercial companies? I am sure they are all mostly middle aged balding pot bellied guys, and not some Czech supermodel with an 'ova at the end of her name. Quote
Peter Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 I really wonder how these people sleep at night.Why bother with a 50p coin?http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1965-Churchill-Crown...1QQcmdZViewItem Quote
Rob Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 I really wonder how these people sleep at night.http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1965-Churchill-Crown...1QQcmdZViewItemBecause they are not the same as you or me. This seller considers the Churchill crown to be "one of the most beautiful coins ever minted". Quote
TomGoodheart Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 I've always asked - Who grades the graders in these comercial companies? I am sure they are all mostly middle aged balding pot bellied guys, and not some Czech supermodel with an 'ova at the end of her name. I'm sorry. But if you were grading coins and you had either a balding pot bellied guy or a Czech supermodel looking over your shoulder ... which do you think you'd find most distracting?! And if that does explain it, how come there aren't huge waiting lists for the job of coin grader!!! Quote
scottishmoney Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 She can come grade my coins anytime. Quote
DaveG38 Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Hi All, Fraud alert - see the link below. From the description, this item was sold for £2051 on 12 August on ebay.http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VERY-RARE-WILLIAM-II...1QQcmdZViewItemThere's no picture, the description matches the sold item, and the seller has no feedback - the item is also starting at 99p and no location is given! With all this against it, I can't believe anybody would be taken in by this one, but you never know.DaveG38 Quote
Hussulo Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Thanks Dave.Many alarm bells ringing on that one! Quote
Geordie582 Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 E-bay has removed the item for sale. Good for them - this time Quote
scottishmoney Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Like ohmygawd, fleaBay actually removed a fraudulent auction. Record that one for the books, that so rarely happens. Quote
DaveG38 Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Like ohmygawd, fleaBay actually removed a fraudulent auction. Record that one for the books, that so rarely happens. To be fair, it was me that alerted them, and I made it pretty impossible for them to be in any doubt that it was a con. As I pointed out, how can two separate auctions be selling the same coin as lot 568 from the Glendining Auction on 11 May 1954! Even ebay couldn't get that one wrong..... or could they? Mmmmm.... Quote
scottishmoney Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 I have done the same with Russian fakes on ebay, and so have numerous others. But the auctions are still present, doesn't hurt that the sellers are powersellers and ebay loves them. Quote
Rob Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Like ohmygawd, fleaBay actually removed a fraudulent auction. Record that one for the books, that so rarely happens. To be fair, it was me that alerted them, and I made it pretty impossible for them to be in any doubt that it was a con. As I pointed out, how can two separate auctions be selling the same coin as lot 568 from the Glendining Auction on 11 May 1954! Even ebay couldn't get that one wrong..... or could they? Mmmmm....Was the coin the actual one in Parsons' sale i.e a worn 1697 crown 3rd bust, 2nd harp with a NONO edge? It is illustrated in the Parsons catalogue despite its grade. Quote
DaveG38 Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Like ohmygawd, fleaBay actually removed a fraudulent auction. Record that one for the books, that so rarely happens. To be fair, it was me that alerted them, and I made it pretty impossible for them to be in any doubt that it was a con. As I pointed out, how can two separate auctions be selling the same coin as lot 568 from the Glendining Auction on 11 May 1954! Even ebay couldn't get that one wrong..... or could they? Mmmmm....Was the coin the actual one in Parsons' sale i.e a worn 1697 crown 3rd bust, 2nd harp with a NONO edge? It is illustrated in the Parsons catalogue despite its grade.The coin is this one, which sold on ebay a couple of days ago.http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VERY-RARE-WILLIAM-II...1QQcmdZViewItemLooks like the one you mentioned. Quote
Rob Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Like ohmygawd, fleaBay actually removed a fraudulent auction. Record that one for the books, that so rarely happens. To be fair, it was me that alerted them, and I made it pretty impossible for them to be in any doubt that it was a con. As I pointed out, how can two separate auctions be selling the same coin as lot 568 from the Glendining Auction on 11 May 1954! Even ebay couldn't get that one wrong..... or could they? Mmmmm....Was the coin the actual one in Parsons' sale i.e a worn 1697 crown 3rd bust, 2nd harp with a NONO edge? It is illustrated in the Parsons catalogue despite its grade.The coin is this one, which sold on ebay a couple of days ago.http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VERY-RARE-WILLIAM-II...1QQcmdZViewItemLooks like the one you mentioned.Yes, that's definitely the same coin. Quote
Rob Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Hopefully the money raised from this will go towards a literacy course. link Quote
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