jelida Posted July 27, 2018 Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, DrLarry said: That was not really my question Jerry I asked you where it is stated that handling a coin would impose a "fingerprint" that would then last for 160 + years the idea would seem silly to many considering that it is hard to get a good fingerprint on many surfaces that would last long enough for the police to pop up 160 later and tell you you stole that penny... I believe that the coins that get "fingerprinted" which I assume must happen pretty soon after they begin circulation when perhaps the metal is at one of its most reactive that they do have characteristics that are not always common to your average fingerprint I mentioned this just recently before your most recent comment. The marks cut across the line of the fingerprint and it enhances the pattern form. I prefer to try to understand how a fingerprint gets on a coin by reflecting on the chemicals that might alter the coins surface, the physical circumstances that might make it happen I have a bag here of bright uncirculated pennies for the life of me I could not impose a fingerprint on one for a long enough time so that it would remain if the coin was in circulation. It would simply be rubbed off would it not, if not why not. I would just rather understand a reaction than just adopt the easy answer. The coin has clearly been cleaned, exposing fresh metal, hence the fingerprint through the chemical action of sweat acids or other chemicals on the hand. Certainly they do not generally form afresh on patinated or oxidised coins. And I suspect the average hand is too clean or dry to lead to a visible fingerprint in most cases and most of the time , and there does seem to be a considerable delay for the chemical processes to form a visible print, during which time presumably the coin must not be cleaned, washed, or handled removing the ongoing process. Either way this coin is certainly an EBay worst offering! I clearly misunderstood your question....as usual, the most likely answer is the most obvious! Jerry Quote
1949threepence Posted July 27, 2018 Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, jelida said: Perhaps this is an example of a security mark showing on a worn coin, and worth every penny? Or it might just be a fingerprint. What a pratt. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/One-Penny-1862-Key-Date-Rare-unusual-fingerprint/123276200683?hash=item1cb3d58aeb:g:Ur4AAOSwDu5bW2p4 Jerry I think it's an example of someone trying to make a fool out of a naive buyer. But even allowing for naivety, surely no-one would fall for this. Quote
1949threepence Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 11:21 AM, PWA 1967 said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-1-Penny-1874-H-Freeman-7-I-Extremely-RARE/232861365976?hash=item36379e76d8:g:EZUAAOSwzrlbVvhN This is what drives me nuts Winning bid £1.00 Pete....'nuff said Quote
PWA 1967 Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 Yes £1.00 to much although atleast the buyer cant loose much when he finds out what it is. Quote
jelida Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: Yes £1.00 to much although atleast the buyer cant loose much when he finds out what it is. He’ll be bragging on about his EBay bargain for years. He presumably thinks it’s as advertised, why else bid twice! But as you say Pete no great loss. Jerry Quote
mrbadexample Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, jelida said: He’ll be bragging on about his EBay bargain for years. He presumably thinks it’s as advertised, why else bid twice! Pete said I should. 2 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 13 hours ago, 1949threepence said: You're 'avin a larf my son link "Clash error"? There'll be a white riot down Hammersmith Palais if that sells, for sure. 2 Quote
1949threepence Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Peckris 2 said: "Clash error"? There'll be a white riot down Hammersmith Palais if that sells, for sure. It's incredible the rubbish they come up with to try and rip off the unsuspecting punter. Edited July 30, 2018 by 1949threepence Quote
bagerap Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 And now sadly my little bubble has burst. China is now doing medals, well someone is. This one's laughable, but so were the Gothic Florins when they first appeared. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-medal-first-order-of-merit-1887-jubilee-bronze-medal-3-x-1-4/132717804593?hash=item1ee698fc31:g:CPYAAOSwZ~hbGOWN Quote
PWA 1967 Posted July 31, 2018 Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 10:28 AM, Peckris 2 said: "Clash error"? There'll be a white riot down Hammersmith Palais if that sells, for sure. Only just got this Peck................Hat Off 😊 2 Quote
PWA 1967 Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EDWARD-V11-1908-UNC-PENNY-WITH-FULL-LUSTRE-F164-STUNNING-COIN/332739286134?hash=item4d78ce9476:g:CVsAAOSwDu5bXICM https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GEO-V-1913-UNC-PENNY-WITH-FULL-LUSTRE-F175-STUNNING-SCARCE/332741241246?hash=item4d78ec699e:g:j1IAAOSwDu5bYCkm Nice coins but not the right attribution and would not like someone to pay way over the top. Pete. Edited August 2, 2018 by PWA 1967 Quote
jelida Posted August 4, 2018 Posted August 4, 2018 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1965-Proof-One-Penny-Coin/183360308485?hash=item2ab1204505:g:AjQAAOSwMMFbZW~m Quite easy to make a proof with a bit of brasso it seems. And R20, so it’s the only one! Jerry Quote
Paddy Posted August 7, 2018 Posted August 7, 2018 This one needs a long lesson in grading I think. This is the coin that attracted my attention but when you look at her others, she is consistently 2 or 3 grades out if not more. Grrr! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1932-GEORGE-V-SILVER-FLORIN-EF-SPINK-S4038-ESC-952-NICE-COIN-AND-RARE/352419988545?hash=item520dde4441:g:iC0AAOSw~AVYqTqj Quote
RLC35 Posted August 7, 2018 Posted August 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Paddy said: This one needs a long lesson in grading I think. This is the coin that attracted my attention but when you look at her others, she is consistently 2 or 3 grades out if not more. Grrr! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1932-GEORGE-V-SILVER-FLORIN-EF-SPINK-S4038-ESC-952-NICE-COIN-AND-RARE/352419988545?hash=item520dde4441:g:iC0AAOSw~AVYqTqj Here is a lot better one for 40 pounds, and free S&H!... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/George-V-Florin-1923-Crisp-Lustre-Early-Strike-With-Strong-Hair-Detail/123283354151?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52543%26meid%3D15b7e6e62bc744a8a89b43b199134f49%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D352419988545%26itm%3D123283354151&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 Quote
Paddy Posted August 7, 2018 Posted August 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, RLC35 said: Here is a lot better one for 40 pounds, and free S&H!... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/George-V-Florin-1923-Crisp-Lustre-Early-Strike-With-Strong-Hair-Detail/123283354151?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52543%26meid%3D15b7e6e62bc744a8a89b43b199134f49%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D352419988545%26itm%3D123283354151&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 Ah yes - but that one is 1923 and it is 1932 I need to upgrade... 😊 Quote
1949threepence Posted August 7, 2018 Posted August 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, RLC35 said: Here is a lot better one for 40 pounds, and free S&H!... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/George-V-Florin-1923-Crisp-Lustre-Early-Strike-With-Strong-Hair-Detail/123283354151?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52543%26meid%3D15b7e6e62bc744a8a89b43b199134f49%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D352419988545%26itm%3D123283354151&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 Indeed, that's a really nice coin, Bob. The 1932 posted by Paddy is nowhere near EF+ as described by the seller. more like GF/NVF. 1 Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted August 7, 2018 Posted August 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Paddy said: This one needs a long lesson in grading I think. This is the coin that attracted my attention but when you look at her others, she is consistently 2 or 3 grades out if not more. Grrr! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1932-GEORGE-V-SILVER-FLORIN-EF-SPINK-S4038-ESC-952-NICE-COIN-AND-RARE/352419988545?hash=item520dde4441:g:iC0AAOSw~AVYqTqj Paddy, we've been over this. On Ebay EF means Extra Flat - an accurate grade I think lol 1 Quote
RLC35 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Paddy said: Ah yes - but that one is 1923 and it is 1932 I need to upgrade... 😊 I can't believe I didn't notice that! Ha,Ha...age must be catching up with me. 😂 Quote
Peckris 2 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 12 hours ago, Paddy said: This one needs a long lesson in grading I think. This is the coin that attracted my attention but when you look at her others, she is consistently 2 or 3 grades out if not more. Grrr! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1932-GEORGE-V-SILVER-FLORIN-EF-SPINK-S4038-ESC-952-NICE-COIN-AND-RARE/352419988545?hash=item520dde4441:g:iC0AAOSw~AVYqTqj Messaged seller. Quote
Guest fake 1905 halfcrown Posted August 12, 2018 Posted August 12, 2018 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1905-Edward-VII-Halfcrown-Coin/323381214494?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3Df2f4dadac2de40c1a583a1f2e68a5157%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26mehot%3Des%26sd%3D323158647774%26itm%3D323381214494&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507 Quote
Paddy Posted August 12, 2018 Posted August 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, Guest fake 1905 halfcrown said: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1905-Edward-VII-Halfcrown-Coin/323381214494?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3Df2f4dadac2de40c1a583a1f2e68a5157%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26mehot%3Des%26sd%3D323158647774%26itm%3D323381214494&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507 It's been removed already. Quote
1949threepence Posted August 12, 2018 Posted August 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, Paddy said: It's been removed already. It wasn't. The winning bid was £122 - link Absolute blatant fake. Quote
mrbadexample Posted August 12, 2018 Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, 1949threepence said: It wasn't. The winning bid was £122 - link Absolute blatant fake. To be honest I don't have much sympathy for the buyer when it's that poor. 1 Quote
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