Penny Acquisition of the week

[jelida]

Time to show some recent acquisitions, I have had a couple of bargains in the last couple of weeks.

Firstly a nice 1898 'last 8 bisects' from the last Midland coin fair, unrecognised and £35.

[jelida]

And a 1875 'cannonball' from an online dealer, £11 plus £2.50 postage.

[jelida]

one of the newly discovered 1889 'missing serifs', £6 on Ebay. I have looked at many 1889's, seems scarce. Now I just need an upgrade....

Jerry

Edited September 22, 2024 by jelida

[jelida]

And I had looked at this specimen at £50 in a dealers tray at the Midland Coin Fair many times over the last year or two, but left it thinking it was an F763 (I have several); but when it dropped to £17.50 I thought it worth a punt. On closer examination I think it is an F8B, on the basis of the relationship between last colon and cape,  and the position of the  'dimple' left by the worn rose. What do you think?

Jerry

[secret santa]

2 hours ago, jelida said:

What do you think?

Spot on - that tiny remnant of the Order of the Garter at the bottom right of the bust confirms it.

[secret santa]

11 hours ago, secret santa said:

Spot on - that tiny remnant of the Order of the Garter at the bottom right of the bust confirms it.

[Coinery]

4 hours ago, secret santa said:

Would that eclipse on the middle bead also be a tell tale, it’s a well-protected bead for ID, and is also on both coins? Or is this present on other dies?

Edited September 23, 2024 by Coinery

[secret santa]

4 hours ago, Coinery said:

Would that eclipse on the middle bead also be a tell tale, it’s a well-protected bead for ID, and is also on both coins? Or is this present on other dies?

Not quite sure what you mean by the eclipse on the middle bead - is it the tiny indentation on the top of the middle bead in the picture ? If so, then it will only be detectable on the highest grade specimens, and there aren't many in that condition, although it does seem to be present on all the obverse B coins that I own.

It may well be present on my obverse A coins:

 

 

[Coinery]

4 hours ago, secret santa said:

Not quite sure what you mean by the eclipse on the middle bead - is it the tiny indentation on the top of the middle bead in the picture ? If so, then it will only be detectable on the highest grade specimens, and there aren't many in that condition, although it does seem to be present on all the obverse B coins that I own.

It may well be present on my obverse A coins:

 

 

Yes I was referring to the bead you mentioned…it sits pretty well protected in a channel between deep devices and looks to be present, even on Jerry’s low-grade example? Of course, if it’s common across other obverses, it’s nothing but a moot point.

[jelida]

Yesterday at the Midland Coin Fair, an F28 for only £3. Always worth a rummage.

Jerry

[jelida]

Not really a variety, but a 'missing leaf' 1860 F15, a really clear one with absolutely no sign of the absconder.  But clearly a die that suffered a lot of fill with much of the inner circle missing too. Several double struck letters that I don't see on other 'missing leaf' obverses, but interesting that so far they all seem to be obverse 4.

[jelida]

The reverse.

[secret santa]

I have made mention of this being now found on an F15 on my varieties website (without using your images).

Please reassure me that you are happy for me to make reference to it.

[jelida]

57 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I have made mention of this being now found on an F15 on my varieties website (without using your images).

Please reassure me that you are happy for me to make reference to it.

Of course Richard,  you really don’t need to ask me,  it’s to the benefit of all penny collectors and a bit like organ donation,  the presumption should be towards the greater good unless the donor has specifically objected.

Jerry

[jelida]

Not actually a recent purchase, but while we are on 'missing leaf' pennies, here is my F22 for addition to your list if you wish, Richard.

Jerry

[secret santa]

On 10/21/2024 at 11:31 AM, jelida said:

here is my F22 for addition to your list if you wish, Richard.

Apologies, Jerry, for forgetting to add this but it's up now.

[blakeyboy]

On 10/20/2024 at 6:47 PM, jelida said:

Of course Richard,  you really don’t need to ask me,  it’s to the benefit of all penny collectors and a bit like organ donation,  the presumption should be towards the greater good unless the donor has specifically objected.

Jerry

Should we all carry "RarestPennies"  cards?

[terrysoldpennies]

I acquired this rare 1901  Gouby Aa  with the second 1 directly over the gap recently . 😊

 

[SilverAge3]

Small upgrade to my 1961

[SilverAge3]

[The Bee]

1874H "H over Gap" 11 Teeth ? (terrible condition)

Hope everyone had a good Christmas and Boxing Day

Over here its been rather a misty and wet Boxing Day. So after taking the dogs out for a walk and eating left overs from yesterday, I decided to tidy up the various Penny trays weeding out duplicates and try to confirm obverses and reverses. Mostly going okay, reached 1874 and now as ever its the worn pennies that are causing the problems 

I found an 1874 narrow date where Britannia appears to have shorter hair and a very misty "Boxing Day" 1874H where the H appears to be over a Gap , 11 teeth or maybe 11 1/2

Wondered have there been lots of examples of this and what reverses might match ? (I think its obverse K)

 

[PWA 1967]

8 hours ago, The Bee said:

1874H "H over Gap" 11 Teeth ? (terrible condition)

Hope everyone had a good Christmas and Boxing Day

Over here its been rather a misty and wet Boxing Day. So after taking the dogs out for a walk and eating left overs from yesterday, I decided to tidy up the various Penny trays weeding out duplicates and try to confirm obverses and reverses. Mostly going okay, reached 1874 and now as ever its the worn pennies that are causing the problems 

I found an 1874 narrow date where Britannia appears to have shorter hair and a very misty "Boxing Day" 1874H where the H appears to be over a Gap , 11 teeth or maybe 11 1/2

Wondered have there been lots of examples of this and what reverses might match ? (I think its obverse K)

 

The picture is 11-5 teeth with the H over a Gap although cant be sure of the obverse without a picture 😀 👍

Edited December 27, 2024 by PWA 1967

[The Bee]

Many thanks for confirming its 11.5 teeth PWA 1967 !

It could be a contender for Worst Penny Acquisition of the Week ! "Extremely misty" 

My error its more likely to be Obverse J as the B and back of Victoria's head are almost touching 

Reverse is just as bad - very foggy   assuming 11.5 teeth with H over a gap exists as a reverse g that would seem to most the likely.

Look forward to any thoughts !

Very Best Regards 

 

[Martinminerva]

14 hours ago, The Bee said:

 

I found an 1874 narrow date where Britannia appears to have shorter hair and a very misty "Boxing Day" 1874H where the H appears to be over a Gap , 11 teeth or maybe 11 1/2

Wondered have there been lots of examples of this and what reverses might match ? (I think its obverse K)

  



I have seen a fair few of these and have a couple of my own, so not particularly rare even though not in Gouby's book. The die pair is 6 + G. [Freeman's notations]

The reason why the H is displaced is because the 7 has been entered closer to the 8 than on other reverses (the master die/matrix had just 18_ _ on it and working dies had the last two digits (and mintmark) hand entered, explaining the great variety of date widths and anomalies seen) and keeping the H central to these digits means it just ends up over a gap. Not to be confused with the very rare reverse I with wider, low date digits and H over gap.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Martinminerva

[The Bee]

Many thanks Martin, that makes complete sense.

The only example in Mr G's book, from the very rare reverse, had the date lower and it just didn't look the same 

Hope its okay to share a couple of other photos.

The first is the ONE from the reverse of an 1873 penny. I wondered if the E had been repaired with an F, or whether there was just damage to base of the E ? (nice penny whether damaged or repaired)

 The second is an "odd" looking 1854 Halfpenny from my discards pile.

I had found really nice minor repairs (I liked them anyway !) to another 1854, the letters repaired being DEI GRA. You can see the "I" and GRA) in the last image which I had overlooked previously, 1854 being (judging by the number I have found) an extremely common date, and had another look at "odd one"

I wondered if it was damage (maybe heat) or possibly a die clash ? Victoria seems to have a raised jaw bone - the line of which runs up to her ear and then appears again behind her ear to the each of neck under her hair. Both the base of the R in Victoria and in Gratia (under the microscope) seemed to be joined at the foot which makes me think its damage  

Very Best Regards