Penny Acquisition of the week

[scott]

[secret santa]

Please post a photo of the obverse

[PWA 1967]

F7 although listed as F6.

 

[PWA 1967]

A couple i bought at the weekend.

1929 Missing waves and rocks ,clear nice example and hadnt seen one for the year before.

1858 Large rose ,not the best although have seen worse and only £10 not attributed.

[copper123]

Here's hopeing York brings me a few bargains

[Bruce]

41 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

A couple i bought at the weekend.

1929 Missing waves and rocks ,clear nice example and hadnt seen one for the year before.

1858 Large rose ,not the best although have seen worse and only £10 not attributed.

A real bargain for the large rose, great👍

[PWA 1967]

A couple of DOT pennies ,seems lots of interest in these now ,probably penny collectors who have everything else.

1861 F26 which i havent seen another one and 1875 BP1875Cd.

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by PWA 1967

[blakeyboy]

Oh right- now I've got to look at all my 1929's and 1861's again...more varieties very day!!

 

 

[oldcopper]

19 hours ago, Bruce said:

A real bargain for the large rose, great👍

 

20 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

A couple i bought at the weekend.

1929 Missing waves and rocks ,clear nice example and hadnt seen one for the year before.

1858 Large rose ,not the best although have seen worse and only £10 not attributed.

The Baldwins large-rose example coming up next week, cleaned but eye-catching in the photo, is at £1200 when I looked yesterday. 

[PWA 1967]

This is the coin in Baldwin you mention Peter and has been CLEANED however the SMALL date and much scacer.

 

[Zo Arms]

15 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

A couple of DOT pennies ,seems lots of interest in these now ,probably penny collectors who have everything else.

1861 F26 which i havent seen another one and 1875 BP1875Cd.

 

Looks like there's another dot hiding between the V and the I, on the 61.

Two for the price of 1. Bargain.

[PWA 1967]

No ,its just a mark and nothing raised or another dot there , i can see what you mean though.

Sometimes on a picture we can see things (Dots) that we want to be there but are not and just dirt , toning spot , carbon spot ,damage or general marks.

Almost as if we want it to be something that often is not and by keep looking convince ourself it is.

Well spotted though 👍

Edited July 7, 2022 by PWA 1967

[1949threepence]

No hesitation in posting this 1841 colon after REG. Superb coin, a/UNC with lustre, and a great strike. 

  

[Coinery]

13 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

No hesitation in posting this 1841 colon after REG. Superb coin, a/UNC with lustre, and a great strike. 

  

Have always admired these big coppers…lovely coin!

[copper123]

York unfortunately bought me little this year - ahhh well maybe next time

[oldcopper]

On 7/8/2022 at 11:14 AM, 1949threepence said:

No hesitation in posting this 1841 colon after REG. Superb coin, a/UNC with lustre, and a great strike. 

  

Yes, nice coins from the proof die - there is a straight hairline from B's arm/trident join to the end of her further away knee on both proof and currency.

[secret santa]

2 hours ago, oldcopper said:

there is a straight hairline from B's arm/trident join to the end of her further away knee on both proof and currency.

I can't detect that line on any of my specimens.

[oldcopper]

40 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I can't detect that line on any of my specimens.

Definitely on my currency and the BM's bronzed proof. And also on the bronzed proof sold by Colin Cooke several years ago.

I would have thought that as the colon variety is always presumed to be a mono-die variety (after striking the proofs), it should be on all. It may be that yours are later strikings or more worn. It is a very thin  hairline.

Edited July 18, 2022 by oldcopper

[oldcopper]

42 minutes ago, secret santa said:

I can't detect that line on any of my specimens.

Bingo, you can just see it on my specimen's photo from the LCA Roland Harris auction:

[secret santa]

It doesn't show on the photo of my proof but I'll take a look in the flesh.

[1949threepence]

7 hours ago, oldcopper said:

Yes, nice coins from the proof die - there is a straight hairline from B's arm/trident join to the end of her further away knee on both proof and currency.

I've just looked at mine through a strong loupe, and there is absolutely no sign of any such hairline.

Nor, interestingly, is there any trace of an upward die crack through the 8 of the date, as there is on some.

There is, however, slight evidence, barely visible to the naked eye, of the common die clash mark, which shows up between the bottom of the Queen's pony tail and her neck. Often this is very visible and easily seen.  

 

[oldcopper]

36 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

I've just looked at mine through a strong loupe, and there is absolutely no sign of any such hairline.

Nor, interestingly, is there any trace of an upward die crack through the 8 of the date, as there is on some.

There is, however, slight evidence, barely visible to the naked eye, of the common die clash mark, which shows up between the bottom of the Queen's pony tail and her neck. Often this is very visible and easily seen.  

 

Strange it's not apparent on the copper proof. Worth further research as they say. My currency has the noticeable fake ribbons as you mention, probably more evident than yours.

[PWA 1967]

A new one 1858 Large rose.

NGC MS62 not attributed and although not the best i have had still a decent one.

 

[oldcopper]

16 hours ago, secret santa said:

It doesn't show on the photo of my proof but I'll take a look in the flesh.

Thinking about it, two scenarios occur to me; either the copper proofs were made before the bronzed proofs and this die polish line only appeared then, or the toning has hidden the hairline from view. 

[alfnail]

18 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

Nor, interestingly, is there any trace of an upward die crack through the 8 of the date, as there is on some.

The die crack through the numeral 8 on the 1841 REG: is generally NOT present. I have seen it on only 2 of the 11 REG: specimens that I have owned. There is also by then some additional flawing through the VICTORIA legend.

By the time these obverse flaws appear, on the later strikes, the reverse is also then seen with flaws appearing from Britannia's toes up to the F of DEF..............and then onwards through the top of the legend on the right of the coin. Attached pictures refer.