Unwilling Numismatist Posted February 26, 2018 Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, zookeeperz said: The last R of BritanniaR might be worth a closer look too.. Quote
zookeeperz Posted February 26, 2018 Posted February 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: The last R of BritanniaR might be worth a closer look too.. Yes I'll do it properly later. was under the influence of meds last night. Madness really never get anything done. Normally wake up look at the screen and say to myself "yes well what are you trying to show me " lol. Check your 1892 farthings as well 2/1 think I found 1 will post pic later Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1887 continues with the somewhat harshly treated 1+A Shilling ( I love the way it photographs though!) 1 Quote
zookeeperz Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: 1887 continues with the somewhat harshly treated 1+A Shilling ( I love the way it photographs though!) unlike this piece of crap that landed on my doorstep this morning. How on earth they can make a picture look so different is beyond me. Hard to believe it's the same coin 1 Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 It is quite suprising sometimes just what does get delivered. Yours must have taken some doing to get the decent-ish looking Left image. Mine looked like it might be OK and actually turned up being better than expected. I hope my run continues, 4 ish more silvers to get, and then I just need some bronze improvers and the gold to complete the "everything from 1887 pile". I know that this will probably never get finished after seeing the 5 Pounds earlier! Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Unwilling Numismatist said: It is quite suprising sometimes just what does get delivered. Yours must have taken some doing to get the decent-ish looking Left image. Mine looked like it might be OK and actually turned up being better than expected. I hope my run continues, 4 ish more silvers to get, and then I just need some bronze improvers and the gold to complete the "everything* from 1887 pile". I know that this will probably never get finished after seeing the 5 Pounds earlier! *including variants. Quote
Peckris Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, zookeeperz said: unlike this piece of crap that landed on my doorstep this morning. How on earth they can make a picture look so different is beyond me. Hard to believe it's the same coin My take is that it's NOT the same coin and you'd be justified in returning it on those grounds. There are many many signs that get my suspicions going, but here's just three: 1. the teeth on the right coin (from the V anti-clockwise to the left hand edge of the bust) are thin compared to the greater wear on the left hand coin 2. the totally different style of the JEB - particularly the E which is curved like a reversed 3 on the left, and a normal E on the right, sloping to the right 3. the upper knot on the pendant ribbon has a complete incuse line on the right, which can barely be seen at all on the left. Add to that the scratch on the last A of GRATIA (not present on the left), and a faint doubling of the ear lobe on the right, and I'd say you've been the victim of possible malpractice. 1 Quote
mrbadexample Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Peckris said: My take is that it's NOT the same coin and you'd be justified in returning it on those grounds. There are many many signs that get my suspicions going, but here's just three: 1. the teeth on the right coin (from the V anti-clockwise to the left hand edge of the bust) are thin compared to the greater wear on the left hand coin 2. the totally different style of the JEB - particularly the E which is curved like a reversed 3 on the left, and a normal E on the right, sloping to the right 3. the upper knot on the pendant ribbon has a complete incuse line on the right, which can barely be seen at all on the left. Add to that the scratch on the last A of GRATIA (not present on the left), and a faint doubling of the ear lobe on the right, and I'd say you've been the victim of possible malpractice. I'd say same coin but left image has been cleaned up with photoshop. The mark between the crown and DEI suggests same coin. There's another scratch under the OR of VICTORIA that is on both. However, the scratch under VI of VICTORIA is completely missing on the left image. I'd be looking to send it back either way. Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 One is lit from below, the other from above. Same coin IMHO. 1 Quote
blakeyboy Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Yep, lighting angle different, but some matching scratches. Same coin. Scratches can be surprisingly 2D sometimes, and changing the light angle can make them vanish..... Quote
zookeeperz Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 9 hours ago, blakeyboy said: Yep, lighting angle different, but some matching scratches. Same coin. Scratches can be surprisingly 2D sometimes, and changing the light angle can make them vanish..... yes defo same coin but also I believe its been photoshopped as well those scratches to the left are hardly hairline but on his pic the do not show at all nor does the rim edges. In fact it evident the pic has been altered. The coin has been polished. Although I am really annoyed at the ambiguity of the coin conditions there are 52 coins in the lot and @ £54 it's not the end of the world there are some nice coins even if not scarce. Like a VF 1949 brass threepence. UNC george V farthings 1918 - 1923 -1934 1920 half penny UNC . Just bites that the star of the lot was hardly a star not even a glimmer Quote
mrbadexample Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 5 hours ago, zookeeperz said: yes defo same coin but also I believe its been photoshopped as well those scratches to the left are hardly hairline but on his pic the do not show at all nor does the rim edges. In fact it evident the pic has been altered. The coin has been polished. Although I am really annoyed at the ambiguity of the coin conditions there are 52 coins in the lot and @ £54 it's not the end of the world there are some nice coins even if not scarce. Like a VF 1949 brass threepence. UNC george V farthings 1918 - 1923 -1934 1920 half penny UNC . Just bites that the star of the lot was hardly a star not even a glimmer Try to negotiate a partial refund? Quote
zookeeperz Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, mrbadexample said: Try to negotiate a partial refund? It's not worth the effort. Looks like it will be the end of buying online for sure. Will have to go to auctions myself at least I can purchase confident as I would see the coins close up and personal. Too many shisters out there in the marketplace who just scam over and over again. Lost faith I don't trust any of them. Quote
Rob Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Surely at 52 coins for £54 it is hardly a case of being ripped off as the illustrated coin plus the 1949 3d, the unc 1920 halfpenny and the three unc farthings have to be worth the £50 you paid. Rhetorical question, but are you not happy at having effectively received 46 coins for free? eBay has always been like that. Many buyers get a bargain, many buyers pay too much, many sellers get ripped off, but most people are happy with what they receive. People have always lied, shilled, photoshopped, 'lost' things, shipped different items to those illustrated etc.The real problem is that buyers' expectations have been massaged down in terms of what they expect to receive and by extension to pay. If one person pays a quid, then all expect to pay a quid. It goes without saying that many expect the item received to be worth more than they paid, considerably so in some cases. The wife had someone the other day from Belarus. P&P to the UK was £3, but for some reason, he seemed to think that international shipping benefited from free postage. So he bought something for three quid expecting it to be delivered for free! The postage was more than 4 quid. Idiot. Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 What's the reverse of that halfcrown like anyway ? Quote
zookeeperz Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: What's the reverse of that halfcrown like anyway ? same. Quote
zookeeperz Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Rob said: Surely at 52 coins for £54 it is hardly a case of being ripped off as the illustrated coin plus the 1949 3d, the unc 1920 halfpenny and the three unc farthings have to be worth the £50 you paid. Rhetorical question, but are you not happy at having effectively received 46 coins for free? eBay has always been like that. Many buyers get a bargain, many buyers pay too much, many sellers get ripped off, but most people are happy with what they receive. People have always lied, shilled, photoshopped, 'lost' things, shipped different items to those illustrated etc.The real problem is that buyers' expectations have been massaged down in terms of what they expect to receive and by extension to pay. If one person pays a quid, then all expect to pay a quid. It goes without saying that many expect the item received to be worth more than they paid, considerably so in some cases. The wife had someone the other day from Belarus. P&P to the UK was £3, but for some reason, he seemed to think that international shipping benefited from free postage. So he bought something for three quid expecting it to be delivered for free! The postage was more than 4 quid. Idiot. There were coins mostly of nothing grades like fine and good fine with the obligatory 1966 and 67 pennies. I bid for the lot as I was willing to get stuck with more dross as the 1887 half-crown would of been worth it along with a few other coins. But that's not the point. The point is the deception. I wouldn't do it so nobody else should do it. tell me the bloody coins been polished to death in the description I still have the choice knowing the exact state of the coins weather I am going to bid. He is on the blacklist and will not be getting any business from me in the future. Just the fact that it really feels like everyone and his granny is a thief or a scammer. I used to just deal with a few international guys who were great but sadly no longer with us and the crap I see being peddled by so called reputable dealers is just laughable. 1 Quote
zookeeperz Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 I'll post this here seeing as my original thread got ganked by a business tout I only know of 1 other that is because I owned it. But sold it on a few years back. Been actively searching for another in a really nice grade but alas so far have not found any and this one is the only one I have found in the few years gap. Unlisted variety and should really be confirmed as I owned this and 1 other. Obviously quite rare 1826 Half Penny with Roman I for 1 2 Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 01/03/2018 at 0:46 AM, zookeeperz said: same. I was kinda hinting for an image .. I like to compare the crap I buy with what other people buy. Sometimes it makes me feel a little better about what actually turns up Other times it reminds me to aim a little higher when it should be an easily obtainable coin.... Quote
Paddy Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Well I have achieved another upgrade to my farthing collection today, so here it is - 1882H 7+F (nothing fancy I think). 5 Quote
Ukstu Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 New addition to my Short cross collection. Cheap at £40 inc p&p from California 😃 King John Class 5c - Struck roughly 1206 - 07 AD. Moneyer Beneit at London mint. 6 Quote
zookeeperz Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: I was kinda hinting for an image .. I like to compare the crap I buy with what other people buy. Sometimes it makes me feel a little better about what actually turns up Other times it reminds me to aim a little higher when it should be an easily obtainable coin.... sorry its a crap pic but its from webcam actually it looks better than the coin lols Edited March 16, 2018 by zookeeperz 2 Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Thanks Zoo. Unfortunatey I fell somewhat better about my 20 quid HC now. From your pic it looks better than the obverse at least @Ukstu thats not a bad shortcross, it's done a few miles to get there and back Quote
Ukstu Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Unwilling Numismatist said: Thanks Zoo. Unfortunatey I fell somewhat better about my 20 quid HC now. From your pic it looks better than the obverse at least @Ukstu thats not a bad shortcross, it's done a few miles to get there and back It has i know lol. I thought that. It's more well travelled than me 😁. It's better to be repatriated than deported 😅. 2 Quote
zookeeperz Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 couple of bits that needed to be rescued a scarce-ish not darkened 1902 Farthing. Rather nice 1 lovely light patina and a 1933 Half Crown again really nice tone to it Quote
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