PCGS ...NO IDEA ABOUT 1860 MULE

[Colin88]

I recently sent in an attractive NVF 1860 mule (F9) to PCGS for slabbing and grading..so not a washer and pretty obvious what it was to anyone who wasn't blind ....and, yep it came back as an ordinary 1860...I think that I bought this one off Bernie many many years ago.....will have to break it out .....grrrrrr  

[Nordle11]

They might re-slab and re-assign it for free if you speak to them. If you break it out they might not..

What a pain in the arse though, I know they're American slabbers but it's not exactly a micro variety!

[Colin G.]

There are quite a few slabbed that are not...so it is bizarre they went the other way with this one

[RLC35]

1 hour ago, Colin88 said:

I recently sent in an attractive NVF 1860 mule (F9) to PCGS for slabbing and grading..so not a washer and pretty obvious what it was to anyone who wasn't blind ....and, yep it came back as an ordinary 1860...I think that I bought this one off Bernie many many years ago.....will have to break it out .....grrrrrr  

Colin,

Send it back, with documentation of what a real Mule looks like, and they will probably re-slab it.

 

 

[Peter]

Paying for so called experts and getting diddly.

3 of them missed it...sorry there is no excuse. Might be an idea to spoof their advert that sometimes appears in Coin News..ie Raw value £300 slabbed by PCGS value £3.

[Guest]

OMG no wonder nobody trusts or thinks much of these muppets , if they ever think mooky needs a replacement in the blackpool tower circus they know where to look now.

[PWA 1967]

Hi Colin.

As i have one slabbed VF (CGS) would be interested to see the Picture from PCGS or the UIN.

Thank you.

Pete.

[Guest]

Mules and rarities are one reason that they shouldn't be sent to American TPGs, they would be better off in a CGS slab if slabbing is your thing, American TPGs don't have enough experience of British Pennies and the amount of differences between them

[PWA 1967]

This one though anyone could spot.

My personal opinion is they get that many its like a conveyer belt and to busy just putting then in slabs.

None of the graders are perfect and mistakes are made.

Although i think with CGS more often its a typing error and will always re attribute.

The person doing the tickets is not a grader,believe me the main graders do understand the varieties of English pennies 

of which i can only comment on.

Pete.

[1949threepence]

As others have said, maybe send it back with written descriptions of what a F9 mule actually is. 

Presumably you sent it in the first place, with no accompanying description? 

 

[copper123]

Is it really that hard for them to get out the standard reference books for the coin they are slabbing and look up the varieties ?

If it is why bother paying them a bean?

[Rob]

1 hour ago, copper123 said:

Is it really that hard for them to get out the standard reference books for the coin they are slabbing and look up the varieties ?

If it is why bother paying them a bean?

Because they are selling an ideal, pandering to peoples' insecurities and need for reassurance. You don't have to, I wouldn't either, but a lot of people feel they need the service. Virtually every business on this planet is surviving because they do something that the customer can't/won't/can't be a***d. For that there is a fee. Just think of all the consultants out there................... Every day I get three of four junk mails promising to put me at the top of Google's front page. That's either a lot of dosh, or isn't going to happen given the desire for the millions of businesses also trying to be seen.

Edited March 15, 2016 by Rob

[copper123]

On 15/03/2016 at 3:59 PM, Rob said:

Because they are selling an ideal, pandering to peoples' insecurities and need for reassurance. You don't have to, I wouldn't either, but a lot of people feel they need the service. Virtually every business on this planet is surviving because they do something that the customer can't/won't/can't be a***d. For that there is a fee. Just think of all the consultants out there................... Every day I get three of four junk mails promising to put me at the top of Google's front page. That's either a lot of dosh, or isn't going to happen given the desire for the millions of businesses also trying to be seen.

perhaps they (the coin slabers ) should get new jobs as agony aunts then they are clearly not suited to work with or give people info on coins

[Rob]

Neither you, myself or anyone else is obliged to use them.

It is however a legitimate business which advertises a service and provides what is offered. If you don't want TPGs, then to put them out of business you have to destroy their raison d'etre which ultimately will require people to be educated in coin grading and authentication from birth, thus doing away with the need to obtain a second opinion. I think there are more important things to worry about.

[copper123]

The only people who need to grade or value coins are people who collect coins .

The only people who need to use slabing companies are the uneducated , people who inherit or find a hoard can always look for info off a profesional .

 

[PWA 1967]

14 minutes ago, copper123 said:

The only people who need to grade or value coins are people who collect coins .

The only people who need to use slabing companies are the uneducated , people who inherit or find a hoard can always look for info off a profesional .

 

Agreed and i am uneducated 

[copper123]

Admitedly the abillity to grade coins will always be a one in two thousand probability  if you stop the ordinary person in the street , but it will ALWAYS be a rare thing as long as the hobby base is a small as it is today

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

On 03/15/2016 at 11:59 AM, Rob said:

Because they are selling an ideal, pandering to peoples' insecurities and need for reassurance. You don't have to, I wouldn't either, but a lot of people feel they need the service. Virtually every business on this planet is surviving because they do something that the customer can't/won't/can't be a***d. For that there is a fee. Just think of all the consultants out there................... Every day I get three of four junk mails promising to put me at the top of Google's front page. That's either a lot of dosh, or isn't going to happen given the desire for the millions of businesses also trying to be seen.

Well said....

[azda]

Funnily enough i just came across this

 

http://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B1%2F3%2F8%2F2%2F6%2F13826387%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D

[mrbadexample]

On 3/23/2016 at 8:46 AM, copper123 said:

The only people who need to grade or value coins are people who collect coins .

The only people who need to use slabing companies are the uneducated , people who inherit or find a hoard can always look for info off a profesional .

 

On 3/14/2016 at 3:59 PM, Rob said:

Because they are selling an ideal, pandering to peoples' insecurities and need for reassurance. You don't have to, I wouldn't either, but a lot of people feel they need the service. Virtually every business on this planet is surviving because they do something that the customer can't/won't/can't be a***d. For that there is a fee. Just think of all the consultants out there................... Every day I get three of four junk mails promising to put me at the top of Google's front page. That's either a lot of dosh, or isn't going to happen given the desire for the millions of businesses also trying to be seen.

I don't like like slabbed coins. 

I can't make up my mind. I'd never owned a slabbed coin before Colin sent me a farthing. (Sorry Pete, he beat you by a few hours!) I hate the loss of tactility - I like to hold the coin. I like the reassurance it brings that if I need / want to sell it someone will buy it because it's slabbed. The grading given isn't mine. I don't feel the need to (a) overgrade my coins because I want them to be worth more than I paid, or (b) undergrade because I fear my grading isn't critical enough and I don't want to oversell what I've got. And that is a genuine dilemma for me - I'm not hugely experienced, but I like accuracy. I've collected coins for 30+ years and always thought I graded reasonably accurately and reasonable consistently. Since I joined this forum I've had to rethink - almost everything I've got is a grade lower than I thought. I've always been a "close enough" sort of person. I tended not to pay £100 for perfection when £60 would get me pretty close. That's the Yorkshireman in me I guess.

Take this 1903 half crown. I bought it a good few years ago in the highest grade I could afford at the time. I can't remember but it probably cost me no more than £40-60. I desperately want it to be VF, but realistically I don't think it's quite there. Maybe GF? If I had it slabbed, I'd have an answer and a definitive value that someone would probably pay. Please give me your view as to the grade, I'd like to know if I'm anywhere near the mark. Wayne, a chance for you to practice.

The jury's out, for me.

Edited April 2, 2016 by mrbadexample
Attaching the flipping pictures, I really should go to bed.

[Paulus]

Just Fine for me I'm afraid, sorry!

[azda]

12 hours ago, azda said:

Funnily enough i just came across this

 

http://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B1%2F3%2F8%2F2%2F6%2F13826387%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D

P.s it's an 1895 2mm proof penny 

[PWA 1967]

 

You mention........IF..........you had one slabbed.

Well the other thing to remember Jon is quite alot get rejected.

I dont mean the coin you pictured just something to bear in mind.

You need to really double check anything you have not just for grade but weather the coin may have faults.

I dont want to appear negative but would not like you to send any (i am sure you wont) and incur costs for any with a problem 

[copper123]

I would beg to differ that halfcrown is an attractive good fine for me , sorry could not grade that plain fine , I dont really see that it GF for me

[Colin88]

On 2 April 2016 at 2:13 AM, mrbadexample said:

I don't like like slabbed coins. 

I can't make up my mind. I'd never owned a slabbed coin before Colin sent me a farthing. (Sorry Pete, he beat you by a few hours!) I hate the loss of tactility - I like to hold the coin. I like the reassurance it brings that if I need / want to sell it someone will buy it because it's slabbed. The grading given isn't mine. I don't feel the need to (a) overgrade my coins because I want them to be worth more than I paid, or (b) undergrade because I fear my grading isn't critical enough and I don't want to oversell what I've got. And that is a genuine dilemma for me - I'm not hugely experienced, but I like accuracy. I've collected coins for 30+ years and always thought I graded reasonably accurately and reasonable consistently. Since I joined this forum I've had to rethink - almost everything I've got is a grade lower than I thought. I've always been a "close enough" sort of person. I tended not to pay £100 for perfection when £60 would get me pretty close. That's the Yorkshireman in me I guess.

Take this 1903 half crown. I bought it a good few years ago in the highest grade I could afford at the time. I can't remember but it probably cost me no more than £40-60. I desperately want it to be VF, but realistically I don't think it's quite there. Maybe GF? If I had it slabbed, I'd have an answer and a definitive value that someone would probably pay. Please give me your view as to the grade, I'd like to know if I'm anywhere near the mark. Wayne, a chance for you to practice.

The jury's out, for me.

Well that put me in my place didn't it....I'm uneducated because I wanted it stabbed as I suspectedby doing so it might fetch a bet