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I would have thought that in those days the letter repair punches would have been hand made , and therefore every one would be very slightly different , also when the working dies were repaired the depth of the strike would vary in accordance with how hard the punch was struck.

Alright So I got it wrong. It was a BLUEBIRD SPEE WHALE jumping

Obverse.

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1912 penny which I call - Titanic on the horizon. I first discovered a very worn example back in 2011 , and first mentioned it on the forum back in 2016. I've been looking for a really good example for the last 11 years, and only now has an uncirculated example finally turned up. It actually looks like a plume of smoke rising from an old coal fired steam ship going over the horizon, and being a 1912 penny its association with the Titanic is obvious.

I would have said it's a degraded E on the die, repunched with another E ? especially as the P has also deteriorated.

I would also say small date.

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Reverse

Yes, it's a really attractive and unusual shape, and is almost perfectly positioned centrally underneath the D.

I thought ide post this one as it may be of interest to some of you. It's an 1863 penny with a dot, well a dash really under the D in F D in the shape of a half round dot.

I was lucky enough to pick this one up on the Bay , unattributed as an F763 [ Gouby A1+B ] [ Bulging Eyes ] . Its the same as Example 2 On Richards site . I know Its a little battered, but so hard to find in any condition. I also note that both the Reverses on the Gouby A1+B and the A+B are different in that the date width on the A1+B is wider.

No sorry , Its a 5+D .

The holes were practical in some countries, coins worn on strings around the neck, like this tiny West African 1/10th penny Indeed the only genuine EDWARD VIII penny I could afford has a hole !!!

This was a little while back , so as I remember it, It was about the 1862 2+G only, and it showed that there were at leased two reverse G dies used with the obverse 2 die [ It could be that only one obverse die was used , and retooled to give a new outer circle line ] . With such a rare combination [ 2+G ] it was likely that only one reverse die would have been used in combination with die 2 , but this date variation shows that there were indeed two dies used .

Your right , but they also have different reverses , as they both have a different date width . The first has the 2 over the tooth [12 tooth width] , the other its positioned over the gap between the teeth and narrower [11.5 tooth] .

I've just check out all the wren Rev. and - Edward viii and George vi Reverse A , same as Elizabeth ii 1953 Reverse A - Has narrow rim 80 teeth 1953 Reverse B - Has narrow rim 79 teeth 1954 Reverse C - Has wide Rim 76 teeth 1955 Reverse D - Has narrow rim 76 teeth Some years after this reuse these four reverses , But Your New find VIP proof has - 1953 Unlisted Wide Rim 77 teeth not used as far as i can tell on any other year !

Pete it looks very much like the reverse C found on the 1954 with the F in FARTHING to the gap, and as you say is not listed for 1953 . one other noticeable difference is the outer rim is much wider than the A or B. It also looks to be in Cameo with polished field and frosted images . Well done great discovery

The saying goes the camera never lies, but can distort the truth.

Welcome to the Forum , and happy hunting. 😀

What makes me think its been crushed is that the BRITT part of the legend is much wider spread than it should be. I would think that someone has used the coin , being made of bronze and rather soft, as some kind of cushion between two pieces of pipe while being hammered, possible made of cast iron which is rather brittle .

It looks to me as though it could have been crushed around the edge, but leaving the center largely unaffected , and then undergoing a long period of corrosion. !!

I think I recall Bernie saying that the F27 always has the dropped second 1 . So difficult to be sure . The two in the middle are F5 on the left F6 right and maybe its me but your two look more like the F6 on the right.? Used your great Pics. Richard

I wonder what aspect of the Obverses make you think that they are F 5s , as example one to me looks more like a 6 . All the 5s I have seen have a distinct gap between the back of Victoria's head and the bottom of the left corner of the B in BRITT, where as on the 6s it almost touches the head. Also both the 5 and 6 have the pinch in top of the ribbon so nothing there to determine the type. I do think that all three are reverse Fs as the plume is very wide as happens to worn Fs, and the square rock below the shield is faintly visible , and a slight depression to the left of the square rock seems to show. The example 2 has more chance of being a 5 as the teeth and rim when worn look narrower than on the 6, but the B in BRITT looks to close to the head to be a 5. ? But then who knows , who could be really certain !!!

It was way back in Oct 2014 that I discovered the new 2*, so that's nearly eight years ago now. There must have been many test types made, but after test runs found them to be unserviceable for the long production lines needed were then destroyed with no examples surviving through to the present day . But I guess we'll all will keep looking , as you never know what's going to turn up !!