terrysoldpennies

I have two 03 open 3s , one is straight, the other, possibly just slightly off straight. Seems they can vary slightly Terry

I heard of this variation on the bottom of the E's some years ago, and made a check on my spare 900 or so pennies of this period. I found that wavy and straight bottom E's can be found in all years from 1897 to 1905, with the exception of 1898, these all being of the wavy type, though it my be that I just did not find one. Also on the 1897 wavy, the bottoms of the stems of the P Y and the N's have a dimple. The two Rare types 1897 high tide, and the 1903 open 3 both have straight bottoms. Terry

Hi Jerry , I probably being dumb, but looking at your set of pictures I must say i'm not quite sure what you have noticed about the nape, could you clarify. I do noticed that the Knot on our coins is kind of half round where as most of the others it seem to form more of an oval shape. I wonder if this is two types of type 2 , with ours being one of them . Also I wonder if in the opinion of the penny collectors that this was a trial die, that was not adopted because it fell apart. I just wonder this as the cracks look terminal on all four known coins . If any member finds another it woud be great if you could post it, especially if it has no cracks. Terry

Looking at the F19 2+f the D in FD points to the right of the tooth , but on the F2 145 it's to the tooth if slightly to the left . Terry

Hi Jerry. to answer your question, The crack on your coin running through is the same as my penny and one of the other two found, but the one single example, has the crack running up along the neck and across the ear. And no I have not contacted Gouby about this find, though you my if you wish Terry

Hi it' Terry again . Thank's for the wecome . I made an error when I said the V in VICTORIA points to the tooth this should have been the A in VICTORIA, as no other type point directly at the tooth . My studies of the three coins of this type show that they were all poor pressings, and a lot of detail being lost in the hair, and also gives a larger bare patch at the bottom of the bust than the type 2. Also there is overstamping on the legend. The three coins all show a die crack almost right across the coin, but two have the same crack position, but the third has a crack just as long, but in a different place, suggesting there were at least two dies made, as they must have broken up shortly after. Its good to see that Jerry has found one, unless this is one of the two sold by London Coins, as this makes four. My straw poll of the numbers in relation to 2+ds is now about 80 to 3 or 4 , making them Ex. rare. Here is the reverse

Hi I'm Terry. I've been collecting mainly pre.dec. pennies for about a decade now. The collection was started by my mother in the 60s, and passed on to me . I have made quite a few discoveries, but have yet to share them . This one I think is the most important . At first glance it appears to be a Freeman 2 + d but no. What first caught my notice was the oversized colons with what appears to be a smaller button like dot in centre of all the colons, so I investigated further, and found the letters did not align with the teeth in the same way as other Freeman obv. 2 coins. Infact the V in VICTORIA and the F in F D point to the tooth. So I counted the teeth , and to my surprise was 145 , now the Freeman 2 has 143, and no other type has 145. I have only seen two others in three years of looking and they are both on London coins .