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Jerry ,I have had a good close look at the Exergue on the wavy type with the magnifying glass , and there are minute scratches across the whole width of Exergue, suggesting that as on the missing sea types, this area of the top of the die has been rubbed with some kind of abrasive , and this would mean that the britanniar area would be higher ,and press down with greater force . with the excess of metal forced towards the digits in the exergue. I think this pressure would be less where some of the metal could move into the numbers , but on the open flat part of the exergue it would squash downwards, resulting in a wavy line . I think ???? Terry

Well spotted Ian , both were done on the same scanner , so it cant be a difference in the shadow cast by the digits. Terry

Its strange, as I can't find it on any of the other sixties pennies , and to be on such a modern coin. Terry

I found this the other day. It seems to be scarce-ish about 1 in 50 , and as far as I know unlisted Terry

Richard the new 1909 rare list has example 3 and 7 duplicated

Jerry, the thing which is going to make the 2* rarer, is that it can only be identified if in a reasonable condition, coins like the F41 can be washers and still be clearly of the type. Richard one coin I consider to be much rarer than the R9 given be Freeman is the 1909 F192 2+e , I do think its rare enough to be on your list Terry

Well done , Its got to worth much more than that , its an R17 - R18 and with the New Freeman book only just having come onto the market , the price should only go one way Terry

Sorry I've not answered sooner, only she indoors took me on a rest from the pennies , something called a holiday . Anyway I digress , it seems some kind of experimentation was being undertaken by the mint during 1958 . I'm not sure of the types my self ,as the wide border type according to Freeman should have short teeth , where as I find them to all be longer. Gouby states that he can find no difference in the types , and so has not listed them. There clearly are a few differing types. You and I must keep looking, and see if we can find all of them. Terry

You've found one at last Richard . Did they know what they were selling , or was it a bargain. As to the Rarity , this is only the fifth in three years of me looking. Terry

As you can see from my findings , I only found one length of tooth on the wide rim type , so I would like to see some pics of the two types, if possible, as that would bring the total number types to five Terry

I looked at these variations some years ago, and sort of came to the conclusion that there might be four types , though the differences are so slight that it's hard to be totally sure, any way I scanned all of them and placed sections of all four together for comparison . Terry 1 has a narrow rim with the shortest teeth 2 slightly longer teeth with slightly wider rim 3 is very similar to 2 but the teeth do seem a fraction longer 4 has the longest teeth and widest rim

I just found just one of these in my spares box of about 80 1931s, and have noticed that it also has a dropped 9 which is distinctly lower than the other digits Terry

Rob . you could be right about the long Rs being first, though the thing is that the differing Rs seem to be the result of a die repairs rather than two distinctly different dies Terry

Ian . Fantastic close ups , with these pictures I notice the Ab Ac Ad all with the long Rs are all over cut on short R types. This seems to suggest the short R type with narrower dates came first . Terry

Nice find Matt . Looks like its doubled over a straight R. Your sample Dave suggests that all 90s pennies with the Short Rs are scarce . Terry

Hi Scott . It looks like from your count then, that the short R types in 1893s are Scarcer. I wonder if the rotated type will turn up on other dates, as it looks like the 1890 rotated is at the least very scarce. Terry

Has any one else come across one of these 1890 pennies with the rotated E in REG ?

Thats 3 , I wonder how rare they are . Terry

Hi .all the dot 1909s I have seen are of the speciman 1 type . I notice that its a different colour, which makes my wonder if like me on one of my pennies, the dot turns out to be a spot of weld on the coin. it would by a strange coincidence for a dot to be so close to the known dot position on the same date of penny. my one is below . Terry

As your all looking into the other dates with the two REG types ,I thought its a good time to announce the extra type I have found on 1890 pennies. The joined and separated types are there but there's an extra type with the E rotated to the right. I have pictured my well worn example and I have seen one other . Terry

Hi . its about three differing aspects to be found on 1889 pennies ,and which of the three are to be found together with each other . The three are :- the two established obverse die types, one with 15 leaves in Victorias hair, the other with 14 . Secondly some coins have REG with the R almost joined to the E , the other has a clear gap between the R and E. And lastly the six differing date widths , five shown in ALFNAILS picture, plus the new 14 tooth date width I have found, now listed as Bx . It does get confusing I must admit, I hope its been of some help. Terry

Richard there are other interesting variants along similar lines for other years which I'm still looking into . I will let you all know about them in the near future. Terry

Sorry to see you selling up Steve , best of luck . Getting on myself you see . Terry

Hi Alf / richard. That seems to follow my findings so far . I wonder if any C types will come to life with the gap. or B types touching. We will all have to keep a look out. I should add that the narrow date B types seem to have the extra leaf [ obverse R ] Terry