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Maybe just some strong bidders in the room at the time then. I really can't understand some of these prices though..

Thanks Pete. So... Did they think this was a low tide penny, or what? I don't get it.. Even following CGS' grading/pricing system, they value it at £50, and this is £100 plus the juice 1902

Ok thanks gents. Nice pictorial reference thanks David.

And along with this area being weakly struck or the tide itself being hard to see it almost becomes debatable. The P in Penny is a great tell-tale and is what I'll be using from now. Do you know if this applies to the 1902 high/low-tide varieties too?

Thanks Ian. He always seems to have something I want haha. That's what was needed! Great indicator Terry thanks.

Yeah for sure, but sometimes the drapery isn't fully struck and it's a little difficult to tell. Although I've compared a couple now and you've got me questioning it. You can't see the image on the NGC site using the reference, but the grades match. I've bought expensive things from this guy before though and he's always been good to deal with, albeit a little strange. Maybe a fault on the grader's part? Like you've said the 3/2 was unattributed (although that one was CGS not NGC).

It does look a little low but I think it's OK. I don't argue with any grading though or we'd be here all day, I'll take your word on the FDC. Also I was looking at the 3/2 yesterday and yeah it's definitely there although it is weird they missed it. They even noted that there's 'no small spike on the underside of the center bar', so they were looking for it too. Maybe that'll hurt the price? Who knows.

Here's an open 3 for you David 401036500352 Yeah that Basseyhounds has a nice little collection of rarities going right now. Are they a member on here?

David, I was also watching that and forgot to bid haha. Good luck, post your findings!

It's nice nonetheless What does one of these cost, in the condition you have it in?

Thanks for sharing that was a good short I thought I knew where it was going but no, you couldn't have guessed that haha

It seems truly strange that this year had 2 flaws in almost the exact same place! If it were the case, perhaps they noticed the first flaw and fixed the problem, only for another to develop next to it as a result of the original fix. Similar to when you have a dot flaw which leads to die crack developing leading off of it. Perhaps the area of that particular die wasn't great and caused both problems. I suspect it was just on the one die though because you don't see this flaw on any of the other years between 1938 and 1948. Mine is also the 'clag' dot flaw as you've dubbed it Richard

Matt Can you do the same trick with Bob's circular dot and my unc lump please. (and how do you do that ????) R Here you go, very interesting that thery aren't actually anywhere near each other.. I don't even need to highlight the two it's that obvious. They're not lined up exactly as it's hard to get both to the exact same zoom but I've aligned the Es in ONE almost exactly. And I'm using a program called Snag-it, it's actually really handy if you have to manipulate lots of images, it's not free unfortunately but we have it at work.

Gents, for your comparison here is both of those overlaapped. The yellow outline and red outline differenciate the two.

Also some people say that particular dots are purposefully engraved into the die as a marker of some sort, then this marker begins to fill in slightly on each strike, eventually levelling off with the die again. All of is speculation as far as I know, there is no literature I know of that confirms it..

Think of it this way, if it is a foreign body then as you say it will suddenly appear extremely prominently on the first example, then the foreign body starts to wear slowly until the flaw itself has worn completely away. If this is the case the the 1897 I found is one of the last to be struck as the foreign body has pretty much gone. Conversely if it's a die chip then it would have started off life small and not very deep and slowly deteriorated into the large dot we see on some examples.

Its nearly as rare as the shells the guy is selling aswell RARE Shells. Buy it now $6.

The 1946 "dot" is the least dot-like of all these features and, on an uncirculated example can be seen as just a lump of clag. See below 1946 F233 ONE' Flaw zoom.JPG Again after looking at your site i have never seen or heard of one in such a good grade. That goes for many years he has too, the dot flaws, Gouby X, the 1915 recessed ear, just to name a few. All crackers and I've not seen better in many.

How about an Elizabeth 1964 KN penny, from Albania? Only 2-4 weeks delivery!!

Thanks Brian, good to know. Good idea it sounds like..

What's the mark after the E there, Richard? Looks like tooling or something.

I have an 1897 penny that is showing the initial signs of the wear where the dot forms. You can only see it under a loupe but you can certainly run the nib of a pin over it and feel where the bump began to form. I have a regular 1897 dot which I compared it against as well, as I was initially doubtful.

I think Pete has one, we were talking about this flaw the other day

Thanks again all, a few drinks down and lots to come